Obama explains why small towns in the midwest don't like him
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Promoted by Adam C because elitism is hard to hide for 9 months of campaigning...
Barack Obama, in an attempt to explain the small town resentment towards him, had this to say:
You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Yes, you heard him right; Small town Midwesterners believe in God, the 2nd Amendment and border security because they don't have jobs.
hugging people, bowling with them, and smiling. Now, those people are all bitter racists, ticked off because they lost the factory, whatever factory, who knows?
Do not take offense, Brandon. Consider the source and ask yourself why it matters what the junior Senator from Illinois thinks of you. And redouble your effort to make sure that sort of man with his ugly and dangerous attitudes does not defeat John McCain.
he might have been hugging and smiling, but he was definitely NOT bowling!
he forfeited. He obviously would have struck out and gotten a 127.
That still wouldn't beat the average junior bowler in Michigan, but...
more proof of having lived in a leftist Chicago-northeast cocoon.
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as a member of the so called leftist Chicago cocoon I can assure you we have plenty of bowling alleys. We even have those cool midnight bowls that turn the strobe light on. If Obama wanted to get better at bowling he needed to only go a few blocks and practice.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
in Chicago (I can't remember the name of the place, however call me a nerd but I thought it was COOL)
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Dude,
my dad has a theory about bowling:
Throw the ball as hard as you can.
That's it. No technique.
I took this on a few years ago and I haven't bowled under a 160 since.
Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.
unless you can demonstrate a 200 bowling average from at least one PBA recognized league. That is a little-known fact.
quiting after 7 frames? That is so [sputter --sputter] UN-American!
Of course, bowling is a religion to these people, an opiate to distract from their innate bitterness at having to play ten-pin with an accomplished person of color while their waiting there in Allentown, while they're closing all the factories down. (The last was from a way old Billy Joel tune.)
The talk shows will eat the man alive for that utterance.
Obama needs to worry more about his AA welfare queens and kings in inner cities who do not want to have one single job in their entire lives before he expresses his stupid opinion on small-town Americans.
I think that you may have gotten the wrong idea about what this site is about.
Bye.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
WOW just wow it is indescribable how offensive that comment is and I am not from a small town.....I hope those bitter small town people will be the ones to ensure his racist butts defeat!
They will than have something to bring them up out of their "bitterness"....It is almost like he is "daring" those racist Democrats not to vote for him...I suggest they take him up on it!
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his veins. see his dreams book
He clings to weather underground terrorists and a hate america preacher.
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conform and celebrate diversity....or else!!!
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"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson
and by small town I mean a four thousand person town where you have to travel to get to any above a thousand people. For most I my life I lived in the country seven miles from this town ( Broken Bow if you wondered) and one mile from a town of 100 people, and more than a 1/4 of a mile from our closest neigbor. Anyway you're right that Obama comes across as an arrogant city slicker and thats not going to enear him to any country folks. We're not bitter unhappy people. Actually I would say we have happier people than those who live in the cities. He is right that we cling to Religion.
...people that "cling to religion" are really just knuckle-dragging hayseed hicks straight out of "Deliverence".
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
who basically claim that they went to church but didn't inhale.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
But throw in a little Marxism, a little anti-white bigotry, well, at least he'll stay awake through the sermon.
Proudly supporting John S. McCain for President (McCain/Romney?)
I don't live in the country anymore as I'm going to school in Lincoln Nebraska. However, if I get a job pastoring a church in rural areas I will be quite happy and not bitter.
Just because he smokes Hillary Clinton (maybe the most despised politician ever in middle America) in a few caucuses where Democrat activists show up, doesn't mean he's "strong" in any of those states. Sure, maybe he's "stronger" than Hillary Clinton, but what the hell does that say?
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Great timing! Insult "flyover country" and most of the people in it right before you run in PA and IN. Brilliant.
Gun ownership, religion is now in league with being racists/xenophobes/whatever. Glad he made it clear how he feels about the Bill of Rights when he's not on the spot at a big rally.
And here I thought his 'knowing more than Hillary or McCain in foreign policy' nonsense was about as dumb as it could get for him for the week.
Hey Obama, the reason we cling to guns in the midwest is because anti-liberty nimrods like you are always trying to ban them! Criminey...
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who never went to Harvard, poor things.
right into xenophobia, makes you wonder how much of an insight this is into his mind.
William Kristol, in his recent column, said that Obama has "a touch of Harvard disease". Now, I know exactly what Kristol was talking about.
And it doesn't get directly vectored through Harvard, either. There are a large group of alternative pathways for disease. In this case, I think it's actually Howard Dean and his "God, Guns and Gays" assessment of the South, which was later extended into "Race, God, Guns, and Gays" (Human Events had a very good article on it) and has now been sampled and internalized by the Obama campaign and applied nationwide to small towns everywhere.
On a campaign level I suppose this now signals that Obama is directly cribbing his campaign speeches from Howard Dean. Good or bad?
having gone to an Ivy League college. Some of us were already inoculated by the time we got to HLS.
I will say that...well, I went to law school with more than a few people exactly like Obama and his wife.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
...he'll give you a government job from which you can neither advance nor be fired and all you have to do is give up those outdated crutches like religion, self-defense, and the rule of law.
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"We want great men who, when fortune frowns, will not be discouraged." - Colonel Henry Knox
" Halp Us, Bearack Olberama, We Are Stuk in Amerikkka!
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And you want to be my President?
Sheesh.
If you didn't come from a small town, you know someone who did or still lives in one.
Unless your a liberal Democrat running for President.
This has better legs than the Wright stuff--because all anyone is going to hear is the "stupid rubes clinging to their guns, Bibles and hate."
No matter how he spins it, you ain't going to polish the turd of "you hicks only go to church 'cause government won't give you a job."
Someone should point out to Obama that if there's anybody in America who is clinging to religion and hate out of frustration, it's Reverend Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton and their angry black supporters.
The growth of virulent anti-Semitism among militant blacks, which was documented as far back as Theodore H. White's reporting in 1969, is the best example of frustration leading to hate that I can think of.
At least according to Stuff White People Like...
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/62-knowing-whats-be...
BECAUSE we used to live in big ones with plenty of guys/gals like Obama tripping all over themselves to HELP me. I'll pass.
What the hell is going on out here? - Vince Lombardi
Apparently Obama has a problem with people that are "anti-trade" even though he's running in favor of sort-of, kind-of, not really repealing NAFTA since free trade ruined America and took our jobs.
I'd say it's shocking, but the man is just another politician.
Wasn't he the "Anti NAFTA" guy in Ohio ?
I'm confused ...
Is he saying its ok to be bitter for 25 years because Uncle Sam didn't show up with a new factory job ?
Or is he saying that only bitter out of work folks will embrace guns and god ?
Or if you oppose illegal imigration it is because you lost your job years ago ?
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I think what he's really saying is that if you don't support Obama for President, it must be because you're frustrated and bitter. You typical white person, you!
I think Obama has let all those cheering crowds go to his head. He's becoming quite a narcissist of late.
That religion and believing in God is just another one thing Obama believes people "cling to" when the government doesn't provide for them...but what about when it does?
It fits perfectly with his statist belief system. He's an extraordinarily narrow-minded person.
He has an extremely shallow view of what religious belief means, a view informed largely by his academic background and sadly one that his choice of pastor and church represents:
Obama couldn't care less what his pastor really said, because he goes to church for the show, as a politician. That's it.
Because there are a lot of wealthy preachers whose flock are on the public dole and Obama knows that very well. And furthermore, Obama should have read the newspapers in his own "home town" of Chicago (which isn't really his home town) when Boeing first moved there. One of the pieces of advice given to all the new Boeing folks in the society pages there was to join a local church.
Now, nobody has any basis for saying that Chicago is a small town or that Boeing is a small company, or that any of its employees "cling to church" in the way Obama insinuates here, but hey, remember -- he's not a theologian, he's a politician!
I have relatives in the Mahoning/Shenango Valley part of PA. Some of those towns died in the 1930's and 1940's. Those towns are proof that government initiatives do not work. And if Obama thinks that his initiatives will work when those of 70 years have not, then he is either too hubristic or too much of an economic ignoramus to be an effective President. Moreover, these towns grew because they were magnets for immigrants during the industrialization of America. Anti-immigrant sentiment is not deep as almost everyone there is a grandchild of immigrants. It is not really "gun country." It is somewhat religious - primarily Eastern Europeans like Poles, Czechs and Ukrainians, primarily Catholic with a small smattering of Jews. Moreover, many of these people have relatives in those countries who have lived in the socialist paradises which Obama apparently seeks to foist upon us. Hence, Obama is also offensively ignorant of much of PA if he spews such drivel as above.
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"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations"
I'm not sure I even get what he's going for here. As a way to explain their frustrations? What does he mean by that? That guns explain their frustrations about jobs? Or that anti-immigrant sentiment explains why they're bitter about trade?
What does he mean clings to? Who clings to "anti-trade sentiment?" Can you picture someone clinging to anti-trade sentiment? What kind of dork clings to such antiseptic notions?
And if they are clinging to those things to explain their frustrations, what is all this about slipping through cracks? Clearly slipping through cracks does not explain their frustrations ... no no, guns and Bibles explain it. Joblessness is a toothless point, explaining nothing, causing nothing.
That Pennsylvanians are angry, racist, xenophobic, religiously fanatic, bitter isolationists he makes clear. What frustrations such character supposedly serves as explanation for is a little murkier. For the man of words, he sure seems confused about how to use them. Typical white person.
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you put way too much time and thought into it. What he was saying was;
"You'all are a bunch of redneck hicks who aren't gonna vote for me anyways to to h*** with you anyhow. Now I feel better, bein all self-righteous and all, and maybe I just guilted a few of you into votin for me."
The thing is that now that Obama's chosen church (which he chose freely) has become a liability, the most important thing for him is to "level the playing field" by summarizing everyone else's for them.
Here:
Asked to respond, McCain adviser Steve Schmidt called it a “remarkable statement and extremely revealing.”
“It shows an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking,” Schmidt said. “It is hard to imagine someone running for president who is more out of touch with average Americans.”
Well, actually, I can imagine at least one, from recent memory...that didn't work out so well.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
This is why he is a bad candidate. This is an unforced error, much like his "attack Pakistan" comment, his "throw grandma under the bus" speech, and his "typical white person" line. (And then there is his even less disciplined wife.) This shows Obama's lack of experience in politics, especially in national politics. And let's not forget that he lost his only real competitive federal race, for the House, in 2000. (He lucked into his Senate seat when his two opponents, in the primary and the general, self-destructed.)
I still say Obama loses PA, probably by ten points. He doesn't play well in the big industrial states (except IL). And I think Hillary still has a decent shot to get more votes than Obama, in which case she can justify persuading/bribing/blackmailing the superdelegates to back her.
that this comment is pretty pathetic. That is not really at this point worthy of debate among Obama political opponents. Now, how do folks here feel about this comment taking on life and causing stir in the campaign. Will this find its way into the MSM?
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The mainstream media will not touch this on their own.
However, Obama's opponents, Hillary and McCain, talk radio, and the 527s, if they are smart, will all use it, and Obama's other verbal blunders, against him.
we live in the 21st century media world. No longer is it necessary for the MSM to drive a story. It can be driven through numerous sources. Thus, again, do you think this will filter into the mainstream so that the MSM has to cover it.
By the way, after the ridiculous debate with MSNBC, I looked down upon Politico however they have recently broken a bunch of important stories including Soros' meeting with Begala and Brock, and I am finding that operation more and more appealing. Any thoughts on Politico.
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And HuffPo has the audio confirmation up.
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The Situation Room has a bunch of talking heads defending Obama's comments and attacking Hillary and McCain... headline reads: "Clinton's New Angle of Attack"
Sorry... they're not reporting it... they're burying it.
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Yes, please attack my choice of political analysts if you like, but I digress...
In any case, Dick Morris once made a very astute point. It really doesn't matter how the media presents an issue. All that really matters is what issue they present. Thus, CNN can attack McCain on this matter till they are blue in the face. If they drive the story it will ultimately damage Obama. People aren't stupid. If CNN wants to spin this as some sort of attack on McCain let them, as long as people hear about the comment that is all that will matter. The media's major power is by what they do or don't cover not the manner in which they cover it. As long as CNN is making this an issue it will be an issue, and that will be a problem for Obama.
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With the way that the modern media is developing, I think a lot of people will see this on the news and then try to investigate it further on the web. That should hopefully lead them to a little more insight than the talking heads that drool over the man.
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Is it really a quote? I can't imagine anyone actually saying it. (Well, except maybe Gerry Ford.)
recently felt as stupid as you will likely to feel in a minute. The reason I use it as a tag quote is because I sent him that as a text recently and he came back with
No, it was the Japs, and of course it wasn't over the war just started
to which I had to explain to him and you that this is from the very, very, very, very, very, very (you get the idea) famous monologue of John "Bluto" Blutarsky, played by John Belushi (may he rest in peace)in Animal House when he tries in his own demented way to fire up the frat for one last monumental act of debauchery.
Of course it is followed by this exchange
Germans?
Forget it he's rolling
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when he goes through the "when the going gets tough......................
the tough gets going" and his eyes are all over the place and he holds the silence for just the right amount of time, I am almost driven to tears. It is sheer comedy genius and the world will never know what he could have done. Just like James Dean...
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but he does make good sausage.
was no comedian, however he was an actor of unmatched talent and skill, and after I watch his scene in Giant when Rock Hudson's character tries to pay him off rather than give him the piece of land and Dean is looking down and all the while he is swinging the ball and chain and the swing is slowly getting faster to add tension to the scene, after this scene, I am also on the verge of tears because that is acting genius and he could have done so much and the world will never know.
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Threw his life away and james dindt make the best decision considering the other driver was never cited. But they both did have skills.
that doesn't really make it any less sad to watch their genius and realize the world missed out on so much of their talent. You are absolutely right that they did it to themselves, however that frankly doesn't make it any less tragic.
Those two scenes, I watch geniuses at the top of their craft, and then I realize that they had so much more of their genius to share with the world and we will never know.
No doubt, that they died because of foolish personal decisions, however it is still tragic.
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Rebel Without A Cause??
I forgot the /snark tag
however despite only making three movies, James Dean is probably still my favorite actor and you got me going. Like I said, it is a terrible shame that the world never witnessed his full talent. His good friend Martin Landau still makes movies to this day. We can only imagine what his talents would have left the world.
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smackdowns and you are right that if it goes viral on the net it will make it to the MSM....on Politio I like you was unimpressed with their "fair and balanced" take on themselves but you are right that recently they have been better.
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anyone that has worked at any start up company knows that one thing you can be certain if is making plenty of mistakes. A news organization that is just starting up is no different, and thus, I think a lot of the problem we all found as it evolved were due to simple growing pains. I think they are starting to really find their voice and the op may wind up being quite a force in our society.
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....will keep this story alive in Pennsylvania.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Reuters has it. ABC News has it. Fox News has it.
I'm sure that the Hillary and McCain camps won't drop it--it's a juicy sound bite for them to pounce on.
But more importantly, it's only April, and already Obama has put his foot in his mouth repeatedly. And the polls are showing erosion for him as a result.
We still have over 6 months till Election Day. Plenty of time for more gaffes out of Obama's mouth.
Obama has never run a national campaign against a strong opponent before. Never. He may have met his match this time.
Remember that in 2008, Mike Dukakis blew his candidacy mostly due to his disastrous answers during his October debate with Bush 41.
And in 1976, Ford's gaffe about Eastern Europe during his debate with Carter hurt him badly too.
protect me from the government. As far as the bible goes, it's simply the truth.
Obama can take his racist elitism back to whatever liberal sewer he crawled out of.
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And while we're at it, you might be surprised to learn that there's a whole lotta inner-city folks who can get more than a little irked to hear elitist smackdowns of their small-town brothers and sisters who cling in like manner.
soli Deo gloria
by the way I found this via Daily Kos (no link you can check it out yourself if you want)because I wanted to see if they were ignoring the comment. The diarist, surprise, surprise, thought this was a good response that "reframed the debate"...
http://thepage.time.com/obama-campaign-response-to-clinton-mccain-attack...
Senator Obama has said many times in this campaign that Americans are understandably upset with their leaders in Washington for saying anything to win elections while failing to stand up to the special interests and fight for an economic agenda that will bring jobs and opportunity back to struggling communities. And if John McCain wants a debate about who’s out of touch with the American people, we can start by talking about the tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans that he once said offended his conscience but now wants to make permanent,”
Now, the Kossacks will be bitterly disappointed however debates aren't reframed by deflecting gaffes into attacks that regurgitate old arguements. We all know that Obama thinks that tax cuts were only for the wealthy. You either are with him on it or you are not. Deflecting attention from your gaffe by re introducing an old arguement is not really an altogether good way to stop the bleeding on a gaffe.
Ever since his slow response to the Wright mess, I have found that Obama doesn't deal well with crisis management. His campaign never explained his wife's anti American comments for instance (which did happen before but I noticed the pattern afterwards), and he never explained his typical white person comment. Now, again, he just simply refuses to explain himself.
In politics, either you define the issue or your opponents do, and he is letting us define it.
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....attempting to turn it around on McCain using class warfare on tax cuts.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
When a controversy arises, Obama "hopes" no one will notice, and when he's called on it - "change" the subject. (this is someone's philosophy I read somewhere - unfortunately, I do not remember where - but I thought it was right on target)
As I recall, there was some talk of a Clinton memo back in their WH years of "Deflect, Delay, Evade and Act Stupid" as the way to deal with tough situations.
It is useful information but, for it to work your first response has to succeed because the whole point is to buy time to allow you to think of your spin and for it to become the narrative before a negative spin takes over.
That's the whole point of Hillary's laugh. But it ain't working if you don't have some friendly press to cover the retreat.
Obama tried Deflect here. It,s failing because it was no better than "Is that a bear over there?" Deflection is the hardest because you have to really have something that is bigger than what you said. Think Seinfeld's "I'm thinking of buying a boat." Obama thinks his "look over there" hijinks will work. Audacious indeed.
and made the same point in fewer words, if that's what he really feels.
I'm pretty tolerant. I even tolerate people who use their first amendment rights to say ,"God Damn America". I don't like 'em and I don't vote for 'em, but I tolerate them.
I can understand why people in small towns feel "antipathy to people who aren't like them" if the difference between the small town people and the others is that the small town people say "God Bless America" and the others say "God Damn America".
we need to bury him with this. it will be up to us in the blogosphere to get enough traction with the omnipresent inanities this doofus utters. He is just like Bill Clinton- no one has ever actually listened to what he says and actually thought about it..
Obama is Jimmy Carter- only without the sweater.
Not only is he a fake but he is an idiot. Hope and change and blah blah blah.
Obama is neither an empty suit, nor a fake, nor an idiot. I've read his policy proposals on his website. They are well thought out.
If Obama were just an empty suit, he would be a pushover. But he's not a pushover. He is an impressive public speaker (which McCain is not), young and vigorous (which McCain is not). And he is riding a wave of weariness over the Iraq War, for which McCain has proposed nothing really new. Obama is also riding demographic trends that are favorable for him: Many new voters who are Hispanics, or single women, or black, or college-age.
We got into very serious trouble in Iraq by underestimating our adversaries. Don't do it again.
except that McCain is also an excellent public speaker. He isn't anywhere the speaker that Obama is but he is an excellent speaker. That said, not all of his proposals are that well thought out. I read his foreign policy proposal where he wants to go on a "dignity offensive". He wants to work with dictators to bring dignity to their people even though it is the dictators themselves that are causing a lack of dignity.
Also, his policies are way far left and a good politician will paint them as such.
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I also don't think his policy proposals are well though out. Abbrogating trade agreements with our allies for one.
Also, I have serious doubts about Hispanics and single women being good demographics for Obama. Sure, he might *win* them, but Democrats probably need to clean up 2-1 in both of those groups to have a real chance. The dirty little secret in politics is that it is still the winner of the white male vote that typically wins elections. It's not politically correct, but it's true.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
I seem to remember exit polls indicating Kerry only won them 55-45 in 2004. Are you expecting a big drop off in other Democratic constituencies to necessitate such a high level of Latino support? Barring a dramatic reversal, it would appear the G.O.P. has written off expanding on Bush's margin in this demographic in the foreseeable future. The political cost of opposing illegal immigration will only grow larger as the Hispanic population increases, especially in states like New Mexico, Arizona, and even Texas.
“One element in the strength of any government is the patriotism of the people, their love for its institutions, their pride for its name and achievements.” ~ William McKinley
And that is the largest share any Republican has got in a presidential election. Given that McCain hails from a border state, regularly gets a big share of Hispanics in Arizona, and that he is not a hard-liner on immigration, I think that he will do quite well - especially if he is against Obama.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Thank you, and Adam, for your clarifications. McCain's record augurs well for our chances, but I fear the Republican coin carries little currency in the Hispanic community this November - unless I am overestimating the impact of the immigration debate on Hispanic voters who went for Bush in 2004.
It is because I value your insights that I am nitpicking here, but could you clarify why you doubt single women will vote for Obama. This seems to go against the grain as single (and young) women tend to be a core Democratic voting bloc. Do you think Obama beating Hillary will force them out of the election, or drive them to McCain? Anyone voting for Hillary would have little reason to vote for McCain, save to spite Obama, and even then, they would be repudiating 90% of what they likely believe in.
“One element in the strength of any government is the patriotism of the people, their love for its institutions, their pride for its name and achievements.” ~ William McKinley
R percentage (roughly):
1992: 22%
1996: 25%
2000: 35%
2004: 40-44% (depending on which survey)
Short answer... Ds get 2:1 usually. Bush did well with Hispanics. McCain, hopefully, will be closer to Bush than Dole/Bush 41 with Hispanics. If McCain can win 40% that's awesome. He needs to win 35% to lock in the fact that Hispanics are a competitive demographic.
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The smartest conservative in the world. Are you kidding me? you want Mexicans voting? Illegals in the country all ready are running our kids off the streets with gangs and rape. Get a Life Adam.. The real conservatives are not encouraging any Mexican to be in this country at all. let alone allowing those cockroaches to vote. Go back to Hillarys campaign and tell her she is wonderful, you idiot.
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It was nice having you take a #2 in our living room, but please take your racist butt and get out of our house. Good Bye.
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you could at least have let me get my post posted before you whacked him!
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
He's sure enough of a race bigot to run with Obama.
Alas, that's not our game. Blam.
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This is a shoe-in for the "most obviously blammable comment of the month."
"I ain't never votin' fo another Democrat so long as I can draw breath! I'll vote for a dog first!" - Leola Thomas
probably a lefty providing us a glimpse of his stereotype for the average Republican voter.
“One element in the strength of any government is the patriotism of the people, their love for its institutions, their pride for its name and achievements.” ~ William McKinley
I think McCain will do pretty well with Hispanics. I wouldn't be surprised by 40% at all, I'm thinking 45% is doable, especially against Barry.
"I ain't never votin' fo another Democrat so long as I can draw breath! I'll vote for a dog first!" - Leola Thomas
Perhaps my sources of information are not as good as yours, but I cannot imagine McCain is any position to capitalize on a large Hispanic turnout. He represents the party committed to tougher, though yet undefined, immigration enforcement measures. No matter how necessary and lawful the Republican position on is, many people with families and friends fearing deportment would not be irrational in voting a wishywashy Democrat into office. Hispanics prefer Hillary to Obama, but will they prefer McCain to the Democrat?
McCain needed to unite the party under the banner of securing the border to bolster support with anti illegal immigration groups active in our party. The Arizona senator's presidential campaign nearly died in the summer because of his vocal support for the Senate compromise bill (Bush's poll numbers also went further south that June and have yet to recover to their May 2007 levels, at least according to Rasmussen ). A strong stance against illegal immigration, followed by decisive action in office, is what a president should do, but it has political consequences, and perhaps grave long-term ones in the future for the Republican Party, especially if it alienates a natural pro-life constituency.
“One element in the strength of any government is the patriotism of the people, their love for its institutions, their pride for its name and achievements.” ~ William McKinley
A majority of them, actually. Shows up in poll after poll, and when initiatives cracking down on illegal immigration are put on the ballot in states like CA and AZ.
This is idea that cracking down on illegal immigration will "doom the GOP with the Hispanic vote" is a Left-Wing talking point with no basis in fact. (The GOP lost the Hispanic vote in CA mostly because the Dems have turned CA into a welfare state gamed by a horrific patronage system, while simultaneously encouraging illegal immigration.)
It's truly disheartening that so many people on this site repeat this talking point.
Apparently, the Left does win most of the 'framing' debates. Even the ones that are counter-factual.
and if you could show me some polls or election results, especially since 2004, I'll be happy to abandon this point.
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As a small town Pennsylvanian myself, I take offensive at being called bitter and bigoted (which is what I take from the (antipathy to people who aren't like them comment).
I wonder what we can blame Obama's own anti trade sentiment on?
As a recent college graduate, I did have a hard time finding a decent job where I live, but I found one. I don't expect to stay here for long, I plan to save money and move to where better jobs are located. But I'm not bitter about it.