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If Pastor Huckaboob wins this fake rigged game, the only reason is that it was not open to spin...spin..spin...spit..Ron Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul.

There are way more votes and voters for RP than for America's Pastor out there.

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Proud member of the Barry Goldwater wing of the party !

until Huckabee assumes room temperature, which I hope is decades from now. But I will tell you with 100 percent clarity, Huck is through, the NRA speech was the end of that trial balloon.

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Molon Labe!

Doc

I'm sure America's Pastor has many more jokes ready to go, the NRA "joke" about shooting was just a warm-up act for him.

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Proud member of the Barry Goldwater wing of the party !

He likes a camera more Ron Paul. He will milk this "i was a presidential candidate in 2008" for as long as possible.

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Molon Labe!

Everyone knows it was a botched joke and he apologized quickly.

Even Rollins, his former campaign manager, seems to think it has ruined him.

Sometimes a VP candidate needs to be vetted, and sometimes they vet themselves.

What a maroon.

"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it"-Winston Churchill

Snobama will probably choose a moderate white male at his veep. What better way to get some "bitter" female voters than putting woman on the ticket.

Not to disparage Palin, but what state does Palin deliver? I'm pretty sure Alaska isn't going D.

"I will look for people in the cast of John Roberts, Samuel Alito, and my friend the late William Rehnquist – jurists of the highest caliber who know their own minds, and know the law, and know the difference." - John McCain

But like helveticus says below, maybe Sarah can get an additional 5-10% of the Hillary vote in critical swing states. (PA, MI, OH, FL) That might be enough for some swing state victories.

On another point, coming from MN, Pawlenty is going to have his work cut out for him to deliver MN. Snobama is going to get huge margins in MPLS/St. Paul and the inner surburbs.

I agree that a likable, beautiful, smart, hardworking woman would be a good addition to the ticket, and could help McCain win. But I don't think that it's because she's a Governor. I don't know if it would change how much she'd help if she had a resume more like Portman's.

"I will look for people in the cast of John Roberts, Samuel Alito, and my friend the late William Rehnquist – jurists of the highest caliber who know their own minds, and know the law, and know the difference." - John McCain

McCain should easily take FL b/c BO is going to attack McCain on age, which won't play well with retirees, who make up a significant percentage of FL's voting population.
"A man can be destroyed but not defeated" - Ernest Hemingway

She'll deliver the states where women reside.

I'm not so sure about "deliver" as that would be a 50 state blow-out, but she will influence. How much is the question.

What state did Dick Cheney deliver in 00 or 04? I don't think WY was in play.

What state did Quayle deliver in 88? Even FDR lost IN.

What state did Bush deliver in 80 or 84? Did he swing TX for Reagan? Reagan could have run with Bonzo and won there.

Arguably Gore helped with TN, but Arkansas is next door and Clinton could well have won there anyway. Gore after all lost TN to Bush so apparently he wasn't all that popular there. In any event, Clinton would by 100+ EVs each time so TN wasn't cruicial in any sense.

The notion that the VP delivers a state is historically dubious. Edwards, Kemp, Ferarro, Bentsen, none of them delivered anything. Edwards lost his home state, his home district, his home county and even his home precinct.

The only VP who really delivered anything was LBJ, who cheated in the barrios and the hill country of TX to bring it home for Jack.

As for other current contenders, what state do any of them deliver? Does anyone really think Pawlenty, who got 46.7% in a 4 way race, and whose state hasn't gone GOP since 1972 is going to deliver MN, let alone WI which hasn't gone GOP since 1984?

Or that Mitt Romney is going to deliver MI, a state that's been dem the last 4 elections because his father was governor 40+ yrs ago?

Huckabee would help in AR but polls show McCain beating Obama there easily.

Portman? An ex-OH congressman whose claim to fame is as a Bush budget director? Please.

The argument for Palin, or any other woman, is that rather than being limited to one state being delivered, Palin could hopefully appeal to a demographic that is present in all 50 states, that would impact the ticket nationally rather than pinning all our hopes on some hail mary play somewhere. Every state has women, has white women, and they make up the biggest demographic in every state.

The GOP traditionally does fine with the male vote but struggles with the female vote. In 2004, Bush did win white women 55-44 over Kerry, a 10 pt gain from 2000, and that was the difference. If McCain can hold that number, he wins. But it will be alot tougher to do this year and if there was a way to hold that number, or even possibly exceed it, it should seriously be considered.

Women made up 54% of the vote in 2004, and probably will be around 55 or 56% this go around. White women made up 41% in 2004 and iwll probably be around 42 or 43% this year. A lot of them already don't like Obama, as he's gotten around 33% of them in democratic primaries. They think his campaign and supporters and media enablers are misogynists and sexists. They're ripe to be plucked. If even as few as 3% of them were to swing to McCain that would be worth a few pts nationally. If a minimum of 5% swing, which I think is certainly possible, that about ensures that McCain wins.

An attractive, telegenic woman, married, a great family, a son in Iraq, pro life, pro family, pro gun, a record of reform and taking on corruption and entrenched interests, a good story and background, a woman who hunts and fishes and is comfortable in the wilderness or on a harley, who was a hs point guard on a championship team, who would appeal to borrow a phrase from Bill Clinton to "voters like you" to 50,000,000+ white women who are going to vote this fall...We could do a lot worse

In any event, I think we need something to shake things up this year in some way. I don't think the usual boring white guy in the Cheney/Kemp/Quayle/Bush/Dole/Agnew model is going to help at all.

You forgot to add that she fired the chef for the govenor's mansion when she took office and saved the state $45,000/yr.

"Bottom line is, the governor does not need a gourmet chef at the mansion," said Meghan Stapleton, the governor's spokeswoman. "From the start, she's been very uncomfortable with a gourmet chef. It's a luxury she doesn't think Alaskans should be paying for."

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/story/9090479p-9006523c.html

I have to admit that I became a Palinbot after reading that article and the whole state gave her kudos for that. Palin knows how to connect with people.

You should contact the guy at palinforvp.blogspot and see if you can blog for Sarah. I hope somehow McCain gets this message b/c it's important. Someone out there should do a major petition drive to get McCain's attention about Sarah. Winning VP Madness might get a little publicity but something like voteboth.com could do a long way.

One of the many reasons I left the Democratic Party so many years ago was that I got tired of the identity politics they continually play. But after reading some of the posts here, I realize that many of us want to play the same game.

Here's a radical thought; if we need to win the "women's vote," let do it with ideas (and not the reproductive organs of the VP pick).

I like Sarak Palin and think that in a few years she could be a major player on the national political scene but as for being McCain's VP this year; I'm sorry but a less than one-term governor from a state with a population of less than my high school in Chicago (only a slight exaggeration, actually) does not make it on my short list of potential Presidents.

The Republican Party; following the path of self-destructive identity politics laid out by the Democrats.

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Unrepentant Black nationalist, Unapologetic Black conservative!

Gov. Reagan spoke well on this subject to GOP CPAC in Feb. 1977.

Our party must be the party of the individual. It must not sell out the individual to cater to the group. No greater challenge faces our society today than ensuring that each one of us can maintain his dignity and his identity in an increasingly complex, centralized society.

Extreme taxation, excessive controls, oppressive government competition with business … frustrated minorities and forgotten Americans are not the products of free enterprise.Ronald Reagan

or Pres., for that matter, is white, black, green, or purple. And I really don't care whether it is a man or a woman. I want the person that is best suited to keeping this nation safe and prosperous. This go round that is an old white guy. And if he puts another, slightly younger, old white guy on there with him, that is fine with me.
Some day, America will see a black man become president. Some day America will see a woman become president. That day is not here yet. But, it has little to do with the color of their skin or their gender. It has everything to do with being a terrorist sympathizing Marxist and a Socialist. And America needs neither.
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Just a typical, small town, white girl...

You mean that you, "Just a typical, small town, white girl..." are not going for the White woman candidate, Hillary Clinton?

And I, an "unrepentant Black nationalist [and] unapologetic Black conservative," am not going for the Black male candidate, Barack Obama?

What will all our friends say?

What will the identity politickers in either party say?

John McCain in 2008!

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Unrepentant Black nationalist, Unapologetic Black conservative!

at heart instead of petty identity politics. :>)
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Just a typical, small town, white girl...

what does that mean exactly? You are not talking about the guys that want to go back to Africa are you? I mean, anyone can buy a ticket to Liberia.

btw, I actually agree a female on the ticket could help McCain. I do not play identity politics at all, and I don't think other conservatives do either. But, I could see some femminist Hillary supporters voting McCain for this reason alone.

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Molon Labe!

Because I believe in the economic and social development of the Black community independent of what the government and/or "White society" may do for or against us. For example, I do not support affirmative action, racial set-asides, welfare and the like because they ultimately harm most those they are purported to help.

As a Black nationalist, I do not believe in "diversity" as a goal in itself. What I believe in is the maximum development of each and every individual independent of the race or ethnicity. What I do believe is that in a competitive, capitalist society (the type of society that I also personally believe is best), both private and public organizations and associations can ill afford to manage, hire, acquire and promote, and be owned, managed and controlled by anyone but the best; regardless of race or ethnicity. Thus, as a Black nationalist who believes that Blacks are every bit the equals of Whites, I believe that only as individuals excel as individuals (and not as some racial or ethnic group) can we have a truly integrated society.

As a Black nationalist I think that the greatest strength of any culture and of any nation is the two-parent, one male and one female, family unit and that much of liberal policy and belief, such as "gay families" (I know that's controversial but I stand by it) and ideas like "a single woman can raise a child just as well as a two-parent family" have especially hurt the Black family. Moreover, as a Black nationalist, I think that abortion is a genocide that is being explicitly practiced against Black babies, often with explicitly racist motives and rhetoric.

So as an unrepentant Black nationalist, in the politcial atmosphere of today, I find myself an unapologetic Black conservative.

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Unrepentant Black nationalist, Unapologetic Black conservative!

Defining the concept itself would be helpful. I know I've asked you the same many times.

Put another way, what does abortion and an end to affirmative action have to do with black nationalism? You seem to just be packaging unrelated conservative ideas under an unrelated unconservative banner and calling the matter settled.

absentee
Also Find Me Here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_nationalism

It seems the movement is inherently racial and the core theme is separation from "white society".

I can already see the arguments, it is very easy to spin. One might say:

"we are not into physical separation, but Economic/(fill in the blank) separation. We simply want to improve black lives etc" But if you look at the history of black nationalism, separation seems to be a clear theme, from what I am reading online.

Hey, if that is what you are, fine. I am not particularly impressed by it, but others here must be. I think if a white poster even mentioned "white pride", which is the first tenet of black nationalism, he would be on the short list for banning.

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Molon Labe!

please note this:

Upon his return from Mecca, Malcolm X abandoned his commitment to racial separatism, however, he was still in favour of black nationalism and advocated that blacks in the U.S. be self-reliant.

It would seem from its examples that even Wikipedia's definition admits that Black nationalism does not require a belief in Black separatism.

And as I said in several earlier posts a few months ago, I am inline with El Hajj Malik El Shabazz (Malcolm X after he made his hajj to Mecca).

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Unrepentant Black nationalist, Unapologetic Black conservative!

I think there are some words and phrases that different people over the course of time get re-defined, I just finished reading 'Liberal Fascism' by Jonah Goldberg, Fascism had its origins with the socialist left, and until Hitler went on the rampage with his visions of global domination by a sp-called master race was embraced by the left. In time some have tried to redefine fascism with origins of the conservative right. If the same lies are repeated often enough they might appear to be true. What fascism is about in its group identity politics is absolutely contrary to the conservative philosophy of individualism.
I think there is a similar problem with the definition of black nationalism. You have a different definition for the phrase than a Marxist like James H Cone has for it.


Extreme taxation, excessive controls, oppressive government competition with business … frustrated minorities and forgotten Americans are not the products of free enterprise.Ronald Reagan

I will even go one step further and say that part of my "job" is to not let "Black nationalism" be redefined by nuts like Jeremiah Wright.

But the thing I find most amusing is that "in the barbershops" of the Black community, the African-Americans who are themselves most often espousing and living a conservative philosophy are the more likely to either call themselves or publicly pronounce themselves to be be favorable towards Black nationalism. This is what I think most White conservatives can't (or won't allow themselves to) understand.

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Unrepentant Black nationalist, Unapologetic Black conservative!

The definition of Black nationalism is the belief that Black people should and must be responsible for themselves. At base, Black nationalism is a call for self-reliance.

Moreover, it acknowledges that despite the rhetoric about a color blind society, we do live in a race-conscious world and even as it may desire a color-blind society, it posits that ignoring this race-consciousness is detrimental to Black Americans.

For example, you ask what does abortion have to do with Black nationalism?

To answer that, consider that even here on RedState videos there were videos about the donations given to Planned Parenthood to abort more Black babies. Although these vignettes were setups they accurately reflect the racist beliefs of Margaret Sanger and the origins of Planned Parenthood. Well if the modern "abortion industry" has it's origins in a design to limit (if not elminate) the number of Black children born, and if even today Black children are aborted at a higher rate than the national average, then I, as a Black person -- dare I say, as a Black nationalist have an especial interest in opposing it.

Take affirmative action. One of my problems with affirmative action is that it acts as an economic "bribe" to dissuade African-Americans to start their own businesses. Because of the (dis)incentives in affirmative action programs, it is more economical for African-Americans to work for larger and public organizations than it is to start their own, especially in their own communities. But the way to long-term wealth in America is to start your own business. Thus, as a a Black person -- dare I say, as a Black nationalist -- I have an especial interest in opposing that which I believe is to the long-term detriment of my Black community.

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Unrepentant Black nationalist, Unapologetic Black conservative!

I'm not making any argument on this. I'm just curious what is your opinion of Ward Connerly? He very strongly objects to affirmative action programs because they insult and insinuate that a black person cannot compete on their own.


Extreme taxation, excessive controls, oppressive government competition with business … frustrated minorities and forgotten Americans are not the products of free enterprise.Ronald Reagan

I do not know if Ward Connerly considers himself a Black nationalist or not. I leave it to individuals to define themselves as such. And I'm not being racist, self-definition is also a right that I equally grant to Whites, too {grin}.

But seriously, some Black conservatives have considered themselves Black nationalists (or at least, sympathetic to many Black nationalist ideas) while others have not. In that way, in the varying ways they define their conservatism (indeed, even if they call it "conservative"), they are no different from White conservatives.

For example, are either Mike Huckabee or Rudy Guiliani (or both or neither) conseravtives?

Many of their respective supporters even here on RedState would claim that they are both the other is not. It is a slightly different argument but it parallels the way Black consrvatives often define (or do not define) themselves.

For brief notes on Black nationalism being the origin of much Black conservative thought, see Reflections of an Affirmative Action Baby by Stephen Carter and [another book by the Heritage Foundation that came out at about the same time whose title I cannot remember] by Stuart Butler, who at the time had a senior position at the Heritage Foundation. Carter book briefly mentions that many of the earliest Black opponents of the liberal antics of the 1960's were Black nationalists while Butler's book goes into just a little more depth about it.

Indeed, there was a Newsweek article about this same thing during the Clarence Thomas confirmation. They were noting that many of his Black supporters -- African-American conservatives, many of whom held positions in Republican administrations -- had roots in Black nationalist circles.

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Unrepentant Black nationalist, Unapologetic Black conservative!

I believe in self-reliance also. What makes what you think "black nationalism" and what makes "nationalism" an appropriate designation if it has nothing to do, in fact, with nationalism?

absentee
Also Find Me Here.

I am answering your question. You simply don't like and/or cannot accept the answer I keep giving you.

It is "Black nationalist" because it is based on my identity as a Black person. You don't have to like it. You don't have to agree with it. You don't have to accept it. But it is a fact whether you like, agree, and/or accept it or not.

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Unrepentant Black nationalist, Unapologetic Black conservative!

cool, and I also allow that, given our history as a nation, and given the pathologies that developed in the black community due to liberalism since the late 60s, that a full realization, politically, of MLK's content of character dream, may need to come in stages, but

I also hold that we must not delude ourselves in thinking that ultimately, the full realization of the dream will require that blacks be offended and that they will have to purge their community of the pathologies liberals victim-dependant, white guilt, pc media have wrought for 40 years, and that it will be painful and shameful, much

as it was for southern whites.

And I belive that the quickest path is for blunt truths, i.e calling kookiness by its name.

I say this out of love.

more later

ps

And I also say that I have the greatest of respect for you. god bless

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"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson

"I like Sarak Palin and think that in a few years she could be a major player on the national political scene but as for being McCain's VP this year; I'm sorry but a less than one-term governor from a state with a population of less than my high school in Chicago (only a slight exaggeration, actually) does not make it on my short list of potential Presidents."

How many has Obama governed?

If so many are willing to put their faith in Obama in spite of his lack of experience, certainly the sky will not fall down if McCain pick Palin for his VP -- who has MORE experience than Obama.

But the point is is that Obama's lack of experience does not mean that the Republicans should choose a VP who also lacks experience. Indeed, quite frankly I would argue if, all-in-all, Palin has "MORE" experience than Obama.

The fact is, I think BOTH,/i> currently lack the experience to step into the Oval Office. The shortcomings of one do not and should not excuse the shortcomings of the other.