Wanna see Government in Action (and something sad?)

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[Update:I have no doubt that someone is going to tell me in this thread that the way the rules are written, it's better for the government to destroy this kind of valuable equipment and sell it for scrap than it is to take care of it. But to me it is still morally repugnant.]

[Update II: It also occurred to me that some people might insinuate from this particular example that I'm singling out the military. Don't worry about that. The waste is everywhere, and probably the military made better use of these machines than the Department of Health and Human Services would have while they were still operational.]

I am attempting to run a printing and mailing business and despite the recent choppy seas in the economy, I've battened down the hatches pretty well and I'm always on the lookout for good deals on used equipment. As a part of that I regularly troll government auction sites looking for bargains. Today I saw something that was very interesting -- but at the same time so crushingly disappointing for someone with a mechanical sense that it brought home to me just how profligate government waste really is. It's a travesty. I physically hurt for these machines. [Click the link near the bottom, then go through that site to see the other kinds of things the Federal Government uses and then throws away.]

This auction is on a government surplus website and features a number of items that are currently useful in the printing and mailing business. In fact, if these machines were in running condition, I would estimate their total value at over $75,000 new. Now they're worth next to nothing.

But they're not going to recoup even 1/100th of that. The machines have all been pretty well wrecked and scavenged, leaving nothing left but for the buzzards to pick over the remnants.

The Oce and the HP5500PS printers in this auction in particular are proof positive that the government just *does not care* about destroying and wasting your money. Those machines in decent shape could and should fetch $15,000 if cleaned up and refurbished. The 5500PS is a current machine, a very-high quality 6-color wide format printer. And even the paper cutter is no slouch (google the model number).

It makes me almost physically sick to see this kind of stuff. What a *waste*. The best part is that the government probably paid top dollar for these machines when they were originally purchased -- with your tax dollars -- and this is how they wind up. People who have anything to do with wide-format printing will recognize the atrocity that this auction represents, except for anyone but repair houses who will scavenge what's left now that the government has destroyed what was good.

I think that is a pretty by Jim Tomasik

I think that is a pretty outdated Oce', isn't it? (tcs 400)
I don't think you could get much for it refurbished can you?

We use a Oce' tds 400 and it's a top of the line plotter for what we use it.

I don't know about the HP's...

Over all, you are correct about the wastefullness.

Jim Tomasik

And so is the HP DesignJet 750. But even a DesignJet 750 is still a useful machine in certain cirumstances, and so is that poor paper cutter, which I have seen selling for about $2,500 recently.

I can't even tell where the laminator is in the group of pictures, buried underneath all the rest of the junk they made out of those machines.

The 5500PSes are still current production machines. You can buy them new from Hewlett Packard right at this moment.

I was going to bid on that auction when I had just read what was being offered but not after seeing what the machines look like they've been through.

I know I could find the ink and supplies for the Oce and keep it running. The problem is that if it was treated like that poor 5500PS in any way, it's more a parts piece than it will ever be a production printer again.

No budget to hire someone who knew what they were doing with the equipment would be my guess.


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one instance where tons of Copper that could be sold for scrap crushed up in a dumpster and sent to the landfill which bings up two issues...

One would be the failure to recover the 100s of thousands of dollars that could have been recovered by selling this scrap and

The other would be the hypocrisy of the government telling us...and passing regulations forcing us...to recycle while the are sending recyclable materials in the tons to the lasdfill themselves!


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Wow, such a waste by simpson316

Although, if I had the capital there is some good equipment in there that I could use to set up a full office at home.



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Because to me it looks like those machines are so badly damaged they'll never even be repairable. Who knows how they got that way, but was it necessary? Look over the rest of that website and take a look at the way some of the government surplus machines are treated.

There are people in this country would pay for a functional Hewlett Packard color laser printer from government surplus, if it hadn't been hammered down onto its side on a pallet on a concrete floor, which in all likelihood has rendered it just about useless to anyone except parts scavengers.

I repeat: *what a waste*.

the filing cabinet and desk combinations. Some of the smaller printers seemed to be in ok shape from what I could tell in the pictures. Now, like I said, if only I could put some scratch together, I could fully furnish an office in my basement.



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There are good deals by kowalski

You have to look carefully, but they somehow manage to survive ;).

On your update by simpson316

From what I'm seeing, the office stuff that is in the best shape is coming from the military locations.

This is quite amazing, they have pallets of file cabinets for sale. The bidding starts at $50.



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"This is quite amazing, they have pallets of file cabinets for sale. The bidding starts at $50."

It is not the starting bid in an auction that matters.

...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

---Thomas Paine---

they aren't going all that high. I'm sure a pallet of file cabinets isn't going to go for much more than the $50



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This kind of senseless waste goes on at the local government level as well. Our county and school system auctions off old equipment, textbooks, furniture, etc during the spring. For about a month or so prior to the auction surplus government "stuff" is collected at an open air (no roofs) parking lot. Each day this surplus government "stuff" is exposed to the elements (it rains a lot around here). Needless to say quite a few textbooks, old computers, VCR's, etc are destroyed by the elements each year while they wait to be auctioned.

...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

---Thomas Paine---

Yeah, roughly speaking what happens in a lot of cases is that government offices at all levels have to either spend their entire budgets or face the scalpel. So they spend every dime they have and they don't want to recoup anything from the used equipment:

Otherwise they wouldn't be able to claim that their budgets are too small and they need more money.

So they purchase equipment at the highest prices, use it lightly, and then essentially destroy it so that they cannot recoup anything from it, so that in the next budget cycle they can ask for more money.

This is the way the government works to drain your money away. It's more than a little sick.

And both of the Donk by kowalski

And both of the Donks who are running to be our next President know that they'll be very happy to help them nurture that process of government profligacy. The only difference is whose friends will get to spend the money. Sadly, Republicans haven't been much better in recent years, and that's why we're facing the prospect of it getting even worse.

That's $431 the government is making back on machines that would have been worth at least 10 - 20 times that and could have helped a small business get started at that price, if they hadn't been turned into piles of junk.

If you have large Pharma near you;

Abbott Labs, right around the corner from me, every spring has their action as well. Everything from pickups, snow blowers , printers, scanners , everything you could possibly imagine that a huge corp uses...

From what I've seen, the prices are very good, and in a lot better shape than I imagine gov equipt would be..

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One of the highlights of my job right now is to find good deals on equipment from sources that don't have a vested interest in destroying the equipment before it can be resold.

Occasionally you even find people in government offices in the Heartland who cannot stand to destroy their equipment completely enough that it's unusable. Our Pitney-Bowes 3144 inserter was bought from a local government in Illinois, and even though it sat on the loading dock in the back of their building for about six months, they at least had the decency to put the machine's cover over it and not stack stuff on top of it.

So when we got it back here to Massachusetts, all we really had to do was take it apart carefully and perform some routine maintenance. It works perfectly now, but I have the feeling that's an exception to the rule in government auctions.

Some corporate auctions are better, but on large equipment especially, I can tell anyone to be careful before they bid: ask if you can inspect the lot beforehand. In many cases, once an institution has decided they're going to auction the machine, they leave it basically to the janitors to "uninstall" and remove from the premises, and by the time it travels from where it was installed to where it sits for pickup it's been dropped, banged around, ripped apart, and generally mutilated.

This country wastes an enormous amount of capital equipment. It's one of the primary causes of inflation and budget creep in my mind, because I've watched it happen.

I have a forthcoming post on this, also, a quasi-success story.


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