Huckabee's support more than Southern Evangelicals?
By Soren Dayton Posted in 2008 | Mike Huckabee | New Hampshire — Comments (38) / Email this page » / Leave a comment »
I just finished a Mitt Romney townhall in Nashua, NH. He had around 400 people, according to the campaign. I had just come from a similar event in Windham, just down the road, where Mike Huckabee had over 600. The Huckabee event clearly had more energy than the Romney event.
One of the questions in this race is whether Mike Huckabee has a base of support beyond southern Evangelicals. Well, I found an Orthodox Jewish State Rep., Jason Bedrick. Watch Jason explain why he supports Huckabee. He also said that Huckabee could bring Reagan Democrats back to the party. Reagan did it by using cultural values and economic populism to cut into traditionally Democratic ethnic voting blocs ... like culturally conservative northeastern Jews. Could Huckabee?
If this energy is indicative, Rudy Giuliani could be in trouble. One reporter described his events to me as "intimate."
UPDATE: Moving fast, I botch the point. Really it was about economic hope. And Reagan offered a form of populism over Goldwater, who had a hard-line anti-deficit position. Rep. Bedrick made the point about offering something to the working class, which was my point. My bad for moving fast.
Huckabee supporters just want to re-write history. I knew Reagan, I voted for Reagan, Reagan was no populist.
What's scarry to me is that any Republican would by that Reagan was a populist. It shows the sad state of the party - we have forgetten the conservative principals (not populist) that Reagan articulated so well. This coming from a preacher, the problem is too many preachers are good and sounding like they know what they are talking about whe they haven't a clue. I could provide a list of people like this and Huck would be at the top of the list.
If he thinks he deserves to be president because he is a preacher - I think he doesn't deserve to be a preacher because he wants to be president... IMHO
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Ummmm.
A Reagan policy advisor even called it conservative handouts once.
Do you remember Ronald Reagan? How old are you?
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You're saying that letting people keep their own money is equivalent to giving them someone elses money?
You're saying that letting people keep their own money confiscating less is equivalent to giving them someone elses money?
WOW - I honestly can't believe Republicans are having this discussion. It sends me to the moon when news people always say "how are you going to pay for those tax cuts." For the last time... you cannot pay for a tax cut! A tax cut means they don't take it from you to begin with. If you did it to me we would call it stealing. If Huck does it in the name of populism you call it????? I call it stealing.
You cannot handout what you do not take - sheesh, are we really this stupid?
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If you aren't it's embarrassing that you have frong page content and know so little.
I guess I need to put down the scotch glass. What my post should have said: If you are serious, it's embarrassing that you have front page content and know so little.
Well, I found an Orthodox Jewish State Rep
Sure you can find some, like you can find a needle in a haystack, but mostly your going to find hay.
Whatever happened to Reagans 11th Commandment – “Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican”…I’m up in Concord, NH campaigning for Huckabee and found Walmart and a number of churches covered with these flyers http://www.box.net/shared/hg8oou1s0s
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Nothing like getting a little of your own medicine. Its wrong, but its the same thing that Huckabee supporters have been doing to Romney, so I don't feel the least bit sorry.
However, his supporters are such, that nothing will change their opinions anyways.
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And what's wrong with the flyer? From doing research what they are saying is true. That's not speaking ill - it would be ill for the country if they were lied to by Huck.
And I don't like Rudy BTW
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Walter Mondale was a populist. Mike Huckabee is a populist. Reagan was no populist.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
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Clinton was also a populist.
The Huckster is a Christian Moderate. He is not a conservative. If he wins the nomination, he will not win in November. The fiscal moderates will jump ship and not vote for Huckabee.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110011088
The GOP’s Time for Choosing
Mike Huckabee would make the party more like Europe’s Christian Democrats.
BY HENRY OLSEN
Sunday, January 6, 2008 12:01 a.m. EST
Mike Huckabee’s stunning victory in Thursday’s Iowa caucuses does more than change the GOP nomination race. With a platform explicitly grounded in his Christian faith and a populist economic message, Mr. Huckabee offers the Republican Party a new political narrative, light years removed from the limited government principles governing the GOP in the Reagan and post-Reagan era.
This pro-faith, pro-government message may sound strange to American ears–but it is a staple of conservative political parties on the European continent. Mr. Huckabee, in other words, essentially gives Republicans a choice: Does the GOP want to become a Christian Democratic party? To answer that question, Republicans should look carefully at Christian Democracy to see if it is a model worth emulating.
Will they vote for the Dems...3rd Party??? or stay home?
If they stay home, they are just as ridiculous as SoCons like Dobson who'd stay home if Giuliani was nominated. Cutting one's nose off to spite one's face never has and never will work.
I'm stunned the hit pieces that ol' "Gomer" Huckabee would make the GOP the equivalent of Deutschland's CD party. The true conservatives in the party would not let that happen.
Listening to James Taranto from Opinion Journal and other conservatives it sounds like the apocolypse is coming.
I DO NOT agree with some of Huckabee's stances. But if he's nominated I will vote for him because the ALTERNATIVE IS MUCH WORSE!
I would prefer that FDT would make a charge to get back in this race. If he does that and truly pick up the conservative mantle, we have a chance. Romney is too plastic, McCain takes immigration out of play in the general (to be honest his only plus is that he's a defense hawk). Giuliani could do it also albeit with more skeletons in his closet.
Huckabee is NOT a total conservative, I'll admit, but none of these candidates are, even FDT. If Huckabee makes enough head way to get the nomination, we have to stand behind him.
Letting Barry Obama or Billary run this country and we can expect MORE judicial lightweights like Ruth Bader Ginsburg or John Paul Stevens on the SC (or worse). Higher taxes and more nanny state policies will be the order of the day.
I just don't get it, I guess. Why does this reporter repeatedly focus on "energy" at campaign events? (See "Mac is Back" posted previously.)
Doesn't the reporter realize that campaign event "energy" can be determined by a number of things ... the age of the participants, the time of day, whether caffeinated or decaffeinated coffee was served, etc., etc., etc.? Also, some participants are sophisticated enough to pump themselves up in an effort to give a faltering campaign more synergy.
Energy is not a good basis for judging whether a candidate is doing well.
And let's be a little more sophisticated in our analysis, while we're at it. Jason the Jew may be able to tell me if it's snowing outside, but he sure doesn't have the credentials to comment on Reagan or anything else beyond his present experience.
Soren's report stinks, and I dare anybody to argue otherwise.
I seem to remember hearing about how much energy there was at Howard Dean events in 2003/4 and everybody knows how that turned out.
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If Money, Numbers at events, and Energy meant anything Ron Paul would be blowing everyone away. This stuff is stupid.
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He would be doing even better. If Jeff Flake or some reasonable libertarian-conservatie were running, he would have a major impact. I agree with 90 percent Ron Paul says, it is the other 10 percent that disqualifies him.
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called his policies the trickle down theory....which means he gave tax cuts to the richest and the businesses and it trickled down to the working man.....It works....go figure.
I did not see a lot of populist rhetoric coming from the Reagan WH.....I did see a President that had the masses loving their country...he brought them out of the "malaise" of Jimmy Carter.
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since the Iowa caucus the other day, as have bigger fish than me. (Michael Medved being one in his townhall column.) Huckabee's message is essentially populist, not evangelical. My mother-in-law who is a social liberal has gotten interested in Huckabee, and I don't know if she has ever voted Republican in her life. Evangelicals like him because he is pro-life and pro-traditional marriage which in a non-negotiable issue with them, but they also like him because he addresses the issues of the common man, which is why his appeal is broadening. I think it was on FOX after the caucus where one guy said, "He is what I would be like if I were running for president."
I think a better word than energy is momentum, by the way. No one doubts that Ron Paul supporters have energy; it's momentum they lack. Huckabee appears to have growing momentum.
Love the Daniel 2:20 quote by the way!
You know, I bet we'd secure a lot more "economic populists" if we just adopted wholesale the Democrat Party's economic platform as well.
All in favor?
BTW, for Jason Bedrick to link Ronald Reagan to "economic populism" is for him to admit he has no flipping idea who Ronald Reagan was.
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they want abortion to stay legal and gays to get married. These are non-negotiable positions with the vast majority of them just like they are with SoCons. The fiscal issues are the squishy ground in this election, hence the rise of Huckabee and his broad appeal despite the disapproval of the fiscal conservatives and the leadership of the GOP.
The Democrats' policies with regard to the shredding of the unborn and any and all things traditional buys them, at best 1/3 of their vote and under extreme social pressure I would suggest that percentage is probably closer to 1/4.
It's massive and systematic income redistribution that buys Democrats the lion's share of their votes.
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Huckabee's support is constantly underestimated by RS and by the media. Huck is going to win SC, Michigan, and Florida and carry the rest of the south. He will even shock many and win several states you don't expect him to. His victories will be broad based ones based on support of SoCons and independents.
You forgot to include the votes from Democrats who can vote in open primaries that will come his way.
Democrats are praying (to what I have no clue) for a chance to run against Pastor HuckaFraud and the social conservative movement come the general election.
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and I am expecting his numbers to go up in NH as well. I guess they already have gone from single to double digits since Iowa.
I think part of our problem as a society today is that so many are so thin-skinned. "Illegal immigrants" are "undocumented immigrants," for example.
Would it have been preferable to say "Jason the Orthodox Jew"?
I don't remember that. He definitely appealed to blue collar folks, but he didn't peddle populism. Reagan never called for regulating corporate salaries, and never played rich against poor like Huck does regularly.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”