Another 40 years in the wilderness

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The Washington Times has a story that says that the majority of Republicans (2/3rds) in the house are content to take it easy and let the Democrats have their way because, hey they won. The other 1/3rd want to fight and battle the Democrats and win back the majority.

The money quote:

The younger pit bulls want to go after the Democrats quickly and without remorse. Some of the older Republican stalwarts prefer sitting back and allowing new Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her party members to have their moment in the sun and govern accordingly.

Read on if you have the stomach.....

Rush Limbaugh spoke about it on his show yesterday. He said that the ghost of Bob Michael is back and Republicans are content to spend another 40 years in the wilderness.

I think it is time we let the Republicans in Congress know we will be plenty upset with them if they think they got sent there to take it easy and let the Democrats have their way. I don’t know about anyone else, but my blood boils every time I think about it. I think Mr. Boehner needs a good wake up call if he thinks that is the kind of leadership he was asked to provide.

The reality is stark, and disheartening. This one quote sums it up, and really speaks volumes:

There have been four major votes on Democratic bills since Congress convened under the new majority earlier this month. Of those, 24 Republicans crossed the line to support changes to Medicare, 37 voted with Democrats to expand funding for embryonic stem-cell research, 68 voted to implement more recommendations of the September 11 commission, and 82 Republicans voted for increasing the minimum wage.

I’m at a loss for words.

Wubbies World - The odds of hitting your target go up dramatically when you actually aim for it!

It was the major reason (not really policy) that I was rooting for Mike Pence to win the Majority Leader slot both times - he seemed to have the fire in the belly to pull it off.

If you remember, Boehner made ethics reform one of his campaign planks when he first ran for the Leadership. But after he won, he basically went along to get along and succeeded in doing not much of anything.

Now Pelosi has come along and adopted an ethics reform package he could have put away last year.

I still hope I'm wrong. But I'm resigned to the idea that the GOP leadership in the House is a eunuch who would soon be reduced to carrying Nancy!™'s handbag and licking her shoes clean.

the folks who are screaming constantly about Republicans "staying home" last November will take note.

First of all, I haven't seen anything that says it was conservatives that stayed home - Independents voting D, yes - but if the Republican Leadership is going to cooperate, it's a suicide pact that, unfortunately, none of THEM will die from.

The event that brought the R's out of the wilderness last time was a very confrontational and visionary minority leader. Today, the Republican Party has no one in leadership who is confrontational - from the President on down - and no one who can even spell "vision".

This will be ugly.
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My hope by rhatican

is that President Bush somehow finds a place for Rep. Boehner in the Cabinet. The two of them get along very well together. Even an ambassadorship would do the trick.

...Federated States of Micronesia?

Madhouse Thought and The Minority Report

What's the big deal? by Neil Stevens

I don't know how you make the jump from Congressional Republicans not wanting to be tasteless obstructionists like the Democrats, to the belief that Republicans are content to STAY in the minority.

Banging on the high chair won't change that minority status for this Congress, guys.

Run like Reagan!

It's not banging on the high chair to just be asking our elected leadership to challenge the Democrats. Sitting back and "giving them their day" is not how you win back the majority.

Whining about being in the minority is banging on the high chair.

However, insisting on our elected representatives actually taking policy positions and then acting on them, instead of being rolled, is another thing. Yes, they will lose the votes on the floor, but they don't have to vote for them to be nice.

I am not one for agreeing with the Democrats because I don't want to be called mean or a bad person in the press.

Would you have voted for the items those Republicans voted for? I know that I would not have, and voting against them is not whining, it is taking a position and showing you don't agree with the Democrats.

Wubbies World - The odds of hitting your target go up dramatically when you actually aim for it!

I would not. by Jon Sandor

Would you have voted for the items those Republicans voted for? I know that I would not have, and voting against them is not whining, it is taking a position and showing you don't agree with the Democrats.

But what does that have to do with Boehner? (Unless he was one of those voting with the Democrats, of course.) There is very little he can do to make any GOP House member vote as he likes. Maybe people will start to realise how remarkable it was that the slim GOP majority held together as often as it did.

If you don't like the way certain House members vote, its up to you to replace them. Too much faith is placed in the great leader theory of politics on our side. We're like fans of a football team with a weak defence and a poor offensive line, demanding a superb quarterback to somehow lead us to victory.

What we really need is a conservative movement. Imagine if conservatives had the same degree of influence as the NRA, only upgraded to reflect their greater numbers. Then we'd be a force to be reckoned with.

I have a Dem for my Rep.... by Wubbies World

I have a Democrat as my Representative and I have been working to get a Republican elected. It is not because the effort isn't there.

Wubbies World - The odds of hitting your target go up dramatically when you actually aim for it!

Enter Stage Right

According to longtime political prognosticator, Robert Novak, most Republican officeholders in Congress not only blame Bush for losing both houses of Congress in this past election, but believe that Bush must withdraw all US troops from Iraq by early 2008 if not earlier if Republicans are to have any hope of stopping the Democrats from retaking the White House in 2008.

GOP congress criters are in no mood to look out for anyone but themselves it seems. Troop withdrawal, all of the troops; yeah, that's gonna happen.

A long two years...hopefully not 40.

That some Republicans are actually voting withs the dems on certain issues (stem cells, congressional reform, what have you) because they personally believe that such legislation is valid, or that it is valid in the minds of their constituients and have only not voted as such in the past because they were prevented from doing so by iron-handed party leadership. I've read some comments from Repubs in Congress that have confessed to local media that being in the minority allows them "to vote more in tune their conscience."

...but it is always proper to remember that an elected official's conscience is not necessarily in sync with his constituents' preferences.

That said, my sense is that most so-called social issues are far less black and white than many candidates/campaigns would like us to believe.

Something to keep in mind is that the Democratic leadership who set up the “first 100 hours” legislative agenda tried to focus on issues that were poll-tested to be very popular with the American electorate (just as Republicans did with the Contract with America). It stands to reason that there are going to be a lot of items in there that some Republicans might actually support personally or support because they believe their constituents support them.

The 9/11 Commission recommendations were bipartisan (which doesn’t make them good) which makes it likely that the final recommendations were such that a number of Democrats and Republicans could support them. There are also a lot of Republicans who support increasing federal funding of embryonic stem cell research (it did pass a GOP House and Senate last term).

I wouldn’t take a Republican “yes” vote on these items (which I generally disagree with) as a sign that Republicans are looking forward to 40 more years in the desert but rather a simple realization that just as many Democrats voted for the provisions in the Contract with America, there are going to be some bills authored in a Democratic House that will get at least some Republicans to vote for them.

....and see how many Republicans side with the Dems on the "non-binding" resolution on George Bush's plan for Iraq. Rush's website has a great graphic depicting this, showing vultures labeled with the names of RINOs hovering over George Bush. I fear that self-preservation might wind up trumping principles.

"Blue State by Birth, Red State by Choice"

I tend to be one of those who think the cries of “quagmire” and “sectarian civil war” are probably exaggerated and agree with pushing harder (not just against the terrorists but also the Iraqi government to either fish or cut bait as we say in Minnesota). If someone in Iraq gets killed with an IED, it gets splayed all over the MSM for days. If we wipe out another terrorist cell and continue moving forward with reconstruction in areas that aren’t under attack (which I tend to think are the majority), the only place you’ll read about it are on blogs.

That being said, there have been a number of members of Congress who have been apprehensive about the Iraqi phase of the War for quite some time. If they vote to retreat including our own Senator Norm Coleman, I for one will remember in 2008 and either support a primary challenger or run myself.

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Hear that? That's the sound of Robert Hahn's ratchet taking a couple of more clicks counterclockwise.

And, like, ugh -- Peeeyoooouu! What's that smell? Just LOOK at the bottoms of your shoes!! And your pants all the way up to your ankles! Guess what we're walking in, post-November 2006? It's elephant dung from the National Zoo, where all the elephants in Washington are kept!

I wistfully quote Mike Krempasky, from the Jaunary 19, 2006 conference call with John Shadegg:

And specifically, I’d like you to speak to Congressman Blunt’s assertion that the real purpose of his campaign for the Majority Leader post is to “continue” shrinking the size of government – and I didn’t know that we had actually started that process.

So true at the time, and also so prophetic of the future. How do you do it, Mike? ;)

And now I am going to take some cash and stuff it in my mattress. In 2008 I'll take it out and try to help whoever is left.

NSA surveilance program is true, in combination with Chuck Hagel, Republicans DESERVE to never even be able see the edge of the wilderness.
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Hey becker? by docj

I cannot claim credit for the NSA diary.

The Hagel Diary? That one's all me.

Just saying.

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Oops. by mbecker908

I had to actually work for money today. Cut my RS time way down and my research to nil. That really difficult research, like reading who wrote the diary. At least I spelled your name right.

And to make matters worse, there are now so many blogs on the NSA, I can't remember which one I was referring to. So whoever wrote the blog on the NSA program that I read this morning, please accept my apologies for the mis-attribution.

If the powers would be so kind as to take up a collection and send me money I could better focus on RS. I would be pleased to do so, just contact me via the contact form and I will lay out our basic needs so you get the number right. It's a little one. Well, some people would think it's a little one...

Thanks in advance.
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There's a lot of commentary in this thread about what R Congresscritters are up to, but the questions that has not been answered in my mind are in no order:

What is the Republican Party core plank on the war in Iraq ?

What are the Republican Party core planks on the social issues of gay marriage, abortion stem cells and other hot button social issues?

What is the Republican Party core planks on spending and taxes? How about my favorite the line item veto?

What is the new Republican Party platform and set of ideas and values that unite the party, and who's driving them?

The President, if he walks like a lame duck, quacks like a lame duck, might be a lame duck and really is only the titular head of the party now with less influence and even less political capital as his poll numbers go lower and lower.

So who will it be, Bonner, O'Connell, Rush, Newt, Romney, McCain, Dr. Dobson, Krusty the Klown ? Pick one voice that is worth listing to who actually has a coherent statement on any of these issues that people actually care about, and one that the ink is dry on his statements.

One thing is for sure, the voters rejected what was the old set of values that Republicans were selling in November and the party is either going to "Stay the Course" or set a new course and win back power.

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Does anyone else upon looking at the last six years think that he pretty much squandered every opportunity he had to move a conservative agenda forward?

IMO conservatives didn’t get a damn thing on the domestic front* but nearly every big government item that was passed from NCLB, McCain-Feingold, Medicare Part D, the energy bill, farm subsidies, and the like were pushed because of rather than despite the Bush administration. Whereas conservative domestic priorities like Social Security reform, health care reform, and tort reform seemed to fall by the wayside despite our party controlling both Houses of Congress and the White House for 5 of the last 6 years.

If Bush doesn’t have any “political capital” for a conservative agenda, it’s because he squandered it on the wrong priorities.

* And yes, I’m including temporary tax cuts that don’t mean a thing when deficit spending means that some other taxpayer is going to get the bill.

Bull's eye!!! by rhatican

I wouldn't change a word.

I would by Doc Holliday

tax cuts always work because government is so wasteful. The rest is pretty right on.

kept the promise he made during the 2000 campaign and seen to it that a flat tax became the law of the land (but a national sales tax works for me too).

a flat tax, national sales/consumption tax, etc., enacted in this country.

No tax alternative offers the opportunity for politicians to fiddle it to serve their interests, reward their friends, feed their dreams, punish their enemies as does the current system.

No tax alternative requires the tens of thousands of unionized federal employees whose union provided campaign funds as does the current system.

No tax alternative requires the enormous, expensive burden on business and citizenry as does the current system.

No tax alternative strikes fear into the hearts of the citizenry as does the present system.

No tax alternative provides business opportunities for the armies of accountants and attorneys to "negotiate" with the IRS on behalf of the citizenry as does the current system.

You will NEVER see a flat tax, national sales/consumption tax, etc enacted in this country; the alternatives are only beneficial to the citizenry, there is nothing in it for the politicians and their friends.

John
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Why would God create something like whiskey? To keep the Irish from ruling the world of course.

That's not the reason by Jon Sandor

The reason you will never see a flat tax adapted in this country is that it would require raising taxes on a great many people. Or drastically cutting government. Neither of which would be popular.

The Congress by jsteele

has never shown any great reticence to raising taxes on a great many people so I can't buy that. And simply eliminating the income tax system would not require making government smaller, just moving things around. No, it has to do with politicans' self-interest.

John
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Why would God create something like whiskey? To keep the Irish from ruling the world of course.

Hmm by Jon Sandor

I can't think of a time in my life when Congress has raised taxes on the majority of Americans. The Pubbies are against tax increases period, and the Dems want to raise them on the "rich", which means different things at different times but usually means at most the top two quintiles of earners. Often it means the top one percent.

Most Americans now pay essentially no Fed income tax. Any flat tax worthy of the name would have to change that.

But, in reality by zuiko

The "rich" targeted by the Democrats always seems to consist of anybody who makes $30k a year and doesn't have kids.... more like the top 40-50% than the top 1-20%.

I'm no fan of the flat tax, though. It doesn't simplify nearly as much as proponents claim it does, and is nearly as easily meddled with as the system we have now.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

No way by Aleks311

Re: Most Americans now pay essentially no Fed income tax.

While this may be true of the poor, it is most certainly NOT true for most of us.

Sorry by The Gadfly

the last time I checked my paycheck, the feds took a heftier chunk all by themselves than the People's Republic of Maryland did (including the locality taxes), and that's before I add in FICA (plus my employer's contribution) and Medicare. That's a pretty scary picture, beacuse I can't afford to make a mortgage payment for a house on what I make.

Ever is why tax simplification is a non starter. There are so many giveaways to special interests in the tax code that it should have its own political party.

Veritas magna est et praevalet.

It does, they are called Republocrats aka Democans.

John
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Why would God create something like whiskey? To keep the Irish from ruling the world of course.

Maybe . . . by rhatican

but I'll still do what I can to support such a change. Call me a dreamer.

Actually by buckeye

To that extent, tax cuts backfire because at the current price point a reduction increases revenue, like it did for JFK, Reagen, Clinton and Bush. We're on the wrong side of the price curve which is why when they were increased under Bush 41 and Clinton's first term they either tanked or stymied the economy, leading to lower or flat revenues.

Cite me the last tax increase that produced the projected short term increases in revenues. Show the the last tax cut that lead to the projected tax revenue decreases.

Math matters.

They never match by zuiko

Tax cuts are always much more expensive than they are and tax increases always raise much more revenue than they actually do because we use static scoring. It doesn't even matter where we are on the curve. Static scoring is about as accurate as using a Magic 8 ball to forecast revenues, but it gives a huge advantage to the Dems, so that's why we continue to do it. Have to let the Dems control the debate, you know.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

It is wrong 100% of the time. Can't get much better than that.
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Nah by The Gadfly

The Magic 8 ball would be right 1/3 of the time and tell you it didn't know another 1/3 of the time, which would be significantly better than any recent CBO or PBO over the last 50 years.

Good point [n/t] by zuiko

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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

The tax cuts produced more revenue. Why is it so difficult at Red State of all places to get people to realize rates at 100% don't maximize federal revenue? That takes rates are not a linear equation? That reduced tax rates can lead to increased revenue the same way reduced prices do. It's called a price curve.

Federal revenues are at an all time high, but I know that means nothing in a zero sum world where higher rates would have produced even higher revenues from an economy that springs from the ethos regardless of tax rates.

If you believe that, set the rates at 100% and see what you get. Again, do you have even a rudimentary understanding of how pricing works in the market system, what a price CURVE is?

in different terms, that lower tax rates increase the number of everyone's transactions and thus create more taxable income for all involved.

lesterblog.blogspot.com

Make that by jonlester

simply more taxable income for more parties, not "for all involved" because someone spending money in a transaction isn't increasing their own income. I was trying to say that lower tax rates create more taxable economic activity because there's more money being spent in the marketplace.

lesterblog.blogspot.com

Hey Thorley, by Tbone

who was running in the 2000 primaries that could have beaten Gore and delivered all the things you listed with the Pig Farmer Repubs in the House and the RINOs in the Senate against the whining and wimpering of the Dems amplified to a deafening shriek by the MSM?

Oh, and let's not forget that little distraction so fondly referred to as 9/11.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

I sorry but 9/11 is no excuse by Thorley Winston

For any of the things that I mentioned. NCLB, McCain-Feingold and the farm bill were all things that happened before 9/11. As was the decision to push for Medicare Part D instead of Social Security reform (although it didn’t happen until after the 2002 elections).

And even after 9/11 while I accept and agree with increased funding for the military and to an extent Homeland Security, most of the spending that was championed by the Bush administration didn’t have a fracking thing to do with it. A politician needs to do more than say “we must win the War” (true) to get me to look the other way when they’re raiding the public treasuring for programs that don’t have a thing to do with winning the War.

Oh and in 2000, I was a Forbes supporter but switched to Bush when Forbes dropped out in order to stop McCain from becoming the nominee (largely over McCain-Feingold which Bush promised to veto and we know how much his promised vetoes are worth). If I had to do it over again, I would have support John McCain who has not only proven himself to be better on spending (although just as bad on immigration and campaign finance reform as Bush) and entitlement reform but was a hawk while Bush was preaching a “humbler foreign policy.” 9/11 IMO proved that McCain was right and Bush (and myself) was wrong although Bush to his credit has moved in the right direction but is not nearly as aggressive as McCain.

believe McCain could have beaten Gore? After all, he demonstrated his inability to excite the Republican base sufficiently to get the nomination and his campaign organizational skills were suspect and even though he was certainly the MSM Repub favorite, as he still is. However, had he, or should he, actually get the nomination, the MSM would have ripped him the shreds and he is pretty much an inarticulate dullard when he is on the verbal defensive.

As for his leadership qualities, I wouldn't follow him across the street for a free beer and naked women.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

If you weren't expecting by The Gadfly

NCLB, the energy bill and farm subsidies when you voted for W, I'm not sure anyone can help you much. He ran as a compassionate conservative and that's what you got. He always emphasized the compassionate part more than the conservative part. As for the bits that are near and dear to your heart (and mine), they cratered when Bush pushed for them. Mostly torepedoed by Republicans in the House and Senate who assisted Democrats who seem genetically incapable of agreeing to a Republican proposal, even if it was originally a Democrat stalking point.

If you want to know why I won't ever, under any circumstances, vote for Guiliani or McCain, you just summed it up. They are every bit the compassionate conservative W is, and will deliver the same results he has. My complaint isn't with W, it's with "thank god he's gone" Jeffries, Molinari, and yes, even Arnold "the govenator" Schwartenager types who undercut the ideals essential to Republicans regaining the majority within the forseeable future. Yes, this give me pause with Mitt too, but he at least seems to be running from the libs in Taxachusettes instead of toward them.

that while he may talk a "compassionate" game, he certainly didn't govern NYC as a CC, or as a RINO for that matter. After all, he cut taxes and dramatically slashed the welfare roles in the city. Hardly the fountain of compassion.
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In all seriousness by Doc Holliday

of that list, it is Rush, second is Newt.

Krusty First! n/t by SteveLA

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Abe by SteveLA

Nahhh....Abe Simpson is the Republican party today, not even Homer.. Doh!

But wait, does that make Tom Delay "Chief" from South Park, now departed from the show because of the episode "In the Closet"?

So confusing...

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Mixed Emotions by buckeye

On one hand, I think Nancy's little first 100 hour agenda of petty matters in a serious world are going to pass no matter what Republicans in the House do. So there's no point in throwing any fits or looking like obstructionists.

That said, they shouldn't marking time and sitting around rhetorically either. They should be out there making free market arguments regarding gas prices and oil companies, pharmaceuticals, student loan interest rates and the minimum wage, putting people on notice when the economic damage is done they'll remind people they had another way... a proven way. If the Bush economy goes south, they're to blame. They're the ones champion their economic change.

But that requires a Republican leadership in the philosophical and rhetorical mold of Reagan, DuPont, Kemp and Forbes. I'm not sure that leadership exists in the House any longer. It may have to come from Mitch McConnell in the Senate. That will be strange, looking to the Senate for conservative leadership rather than the House but I think that's where we're at.

Unfortunately, I believe the House leadership has bought the argument 2006 was a six year blip that happens to the party in power but the overall trend is still towards the Republicans and it will all correct itself the next time around in the close races the Dems won. That why you see Boehner and Blunk in charge, no need to panic and rock the boat, steady as she goes like the last 10 years. It's going to lead to disaster in '08.

they don't bother nearly as much as the "moment in the sun" attitude on the part of the leadership. Republicans don't have to be obstructionist (by which I mean parlimentary manuevers to delay inevitable votes), but the do have to present their point of view vigorously, even aggressively.

When Dems won't allow debate on an issue, call them on not following the principles they ennuciated in the last election (and don't worry about being called a hypocrite about it, they'll call you worse when you start winning).

When they vote to throw underpriveleged people out of work by raising the minimum wage, cite the studies and call them out for their callousness.

When they vote to allow the terrorists back onto American soil by cutting and running from the battlefield in Iraq which is part of the GWoT, call them to account (even if it means being accused of "questioning" their patriotism [okay, so I'm worse than Scrooge on that one, if some durn fool were to accuse me of that my answer would be "No sir, I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm flat out saying you are aiding and abetting the enemy, and if we lived in more vigorous times I should be at the head of the procession which tarred and feathered you before riding you out of town on a rail."] Point to the blood of 4 million Vietnamese on their hands from the last time they pulled this kind of political grandstanding and the damage it did and continues to do to our political posture.

Republicans said you can't beat something with nothing before the election. They shouldn't try it as a strategy after the election. (Especially since the Dems didn't have nothing: they had the MSM lieing for them at every opportunity.)

If Republicans are to present a set of principles to the voters, then they can't communicate those values by just attacking and nitpicking the Democrats at every opportunity.

Republicans instead ought to just go about their business as usual: Design policy, write bills, and argue for them to get passed. Be positive, not negative.

Attacking the majority, whining about debate time, and things like that ARE what the Democrats have been doing. I want to hear about the bills that Republicans wrote but Democrats failed to pass come election time. I want to know what the alternative is, and so will other voters.

Run like Reagan!

 
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