Does Mr. McCain know of the "Posse Comitatus" law???

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Apparently Mr. McCain doesn't realize that the president cannot send federal military forces into any state (each state in the U.S. is a sovereign state) without being requested. National Guard troops are under the command of each state's governor and unless sent by their governor after having receive a request for the other state can't just go into the state. Once you activate those Guardsmen they become federal military forces and fall under the provisions of the Posse Comitatus law, so the president can't order them to the area withou being requested by the Governor of that state.

On another note, Mr McCain stated that he would have visited New Orleans earlier if he had been POTUS. Before making that statement he should have looked around himself to see just how many people and resources are used just to move him around as a candidate! Multiply that by at least a factor of ten and you would have an idea of just how many people would be trailing the POTUS. If President Bush had visited the area in the early days he would have drained badly needed resources away from the search and rescue effort. Many helicopters, boats, vehicles and personnel would have been diverted to provide what in reality would have been a 'feel good' photo op. I guess the president didn't "feel their pain" as Mr. Clinton did. I suppose it's better to LOOK like you're doing the right thing instead of actually doing what IS right.

Mr. McCain's comment about the inability of the first responders to effectively work together implies that he believes that problem should have been addressed at the federal level. Unless I'm mistaken, Firefighters and Police are the province of the individual cities. State police are the province of the state governments. Their inability to effectively communicate with each other points to mismanagement at the local and state level, not the federal level.
Failure to address those problems should be directed to the New Orleans and Louisiana leadership

Spot On. n/t by Tim Schieferecke

Tim Schieferecke

but remember, for the leftists and the press (but I repeat myself) appearance is far more important than substance.

John
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Why would God invent something like whiskey? To keep the Irish from ruling the world of course

I know that ... by jsteele

... the point is that McCain spends a great deal of time "engaging" the press and the left and d*mn little respecting his own party.

John
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Why would God invent something like whiskey? To keep the Irish from ruling the world of course

True, but... by CVN 76

If President Bush had visited the area earlier, the press would have criticized him for it for all the reasons listed above. If he had sent in troops before being asked - especially if it was to quell violence being committed by a largely black population - he would have received the same treatment.

Katrina was truly the most perfect example of what a hostile media can do.

Fortuna Favet Fortibus

... they would have spent gallons of ink pointing out how inconvenient it is for a (Republican) president to show up in the early any disaster situation.

John
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Why would God invent something like whiskey? To keep the Irish from ruling the world of course

Did you serve on CVN 76? by From ME to you

And yes....Fortune does favor the brave!

Si vis pacem para bellum

Ben Franklin quote! by From ME to you

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy!"
B. Franklin

I'm sure his friend Sam Adams (brewer, patriot) echoed his sentiments!

but remember, for the leftists and the press (but I repeat myself) appearance is far more important than substance.

It should read:

John McCain, the leftists and the press (but I repeat myself)appearance is far more important than substance.


--"Faith is a free work to which no one can be forced. Nay it is a Divine work, done in the Spirit."--Martin Luther

Wow, that is a great by Left Coast R

Wow, that is a great endorsement of Pres. Bush. One thing I like about him is he isn't one to posture for the cameras, and it leaves the journalists bitter.

Mr. Straight Talk is pandering to the Media again, and leaving many of us feeling isolated. Please cue "quiet riot."

Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney

the federal government involved more quickly in the Katrina cleanup than did President Bush. He probably actually believes that President Bush should have reacted more quickly, but if he were pandering to anyone, it is to the majority of voters who've been taught that the federal government should have acted more quickly.

Whether we agree with whatever about Katrina is not important.

I'm sorry your guy lost, but it just wasn't in the cards. BTW, the Orthodox Church did not perish in the Soviet Union, in the absence of freedom, so that quote is empty.

The people you speak of kept their faith much like the good Senator and his fellow residents in the Hanoi Hilton thus they were always free no matter their physical circumstances.

Did you read the OP...Bush couldn't respond quicker because the Dummycrat Governor never requested federal aid.

As I recall it...the Administration had to call the stupid (expletive deleted) and ask her to put in the request!


--"Faith is a free work to which no one can be forced. Nay it is a Divine work, done in the Spirit."--Martin Luther

"Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper" Peter Griffin...Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity....or else!!!

5 5 5 nt by Jaded

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

You're going to have to stomach McCain throwing Bush under the bus. It's the only way he is going to win.

When I first heard the comments, I was pretty amused by them because they seemed both true to McCain's character and a little ridiculous @ the same time. To echo your point, I really don't think that the rescue workers, National Guard, etc. would have appreciated having to deal with a Presidential visit and everything that came with it while trying to help people leave New Orleans.

He's not just throwing Bush under the bus...He's throwing us all under the bus...

I've spent 20 years fighting the stereotype that has been built up of me and Conservatives...that we're racists and bigots and don't care about blacks and the poor, and created aids to kill black people and didn't respond to Katrina because the people who were dying were black...

And then? in one brief comment from New Orleans...My supposed leader and standard bearer for my Party...This supposed "Foot Soldier" in the Reagan Revolution...This champion of Conservative causes gives it all away and tells the press that we are exactly what I've tride to prove we weren't!

Thanks a lot Johny Boy!!


--"Faith is a free work to which no one can be forced. Nay it is a Divine work, done in the Spirit."--Martin Luther

He's just saying that the Federal gov't did a poor job responding and that Bush needed to seem more in touch with the concerns of New Orleans. I remember Bobby Jindal voicing the same concerns @ the time of the storm.

As for racism, while McCain is definitely not smearing Republicans as racist, don't think that the Obama campaign won't stoop to that in the fall. What McCain was partially doing with his trip this week was parlaying that charge.

He played to the Liberal reporters who asked the question by laying the blame on the federal, (read Bush Administration) response to the mess created by a Democrat Governor and a Democrat Mayor!

In essence he said in so many words..."Yup, the main stream media's templet and the Democrat Talking points of the las several years concerning Katrina were true and Republicans are to blame!"

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My Party's been hijacked, I'm voting for McCain under duress!!

5X5X5X5 by UpLateAgain

and I too feel.....

My Party's been hijacked, I'm voting for McCain under duress!!

Target rich environment by redneck hippie

Yes, ignorance is no excuse. Is it what McCain doesn't know that is the scariest thing, or what McCain is willing to say in spite of knowing otherwise.

The nightmare for me is what he and the other liberals are going to do to energy policy and the economy in their fantasy of man-made global warming.

Killing jobs domestically and starving the third world is not "compassionate."

Redneck Hippie

Technically, this is not a violation of the posse comitatus law, although it probably violates the posse comitatus military regulations that surround it regarding the use of the national guard.

More importantly, McCain is just using this to separate himself from Bush. I have to admit, this just doesn't get me too incensed.

Well ... by jsteele

... More importantly, McCain is just using this to separate himself from Bush. ...

There are plenty of areas where he can legitimately separate himself from Bush. He apparently chooses to separate himself in areas where Bush probably did the right thing. Unfortuately the areas where Bush is wrong are basically areas where McCain is also wrong --- illegal aliens comes to mind.

John
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Why would God invent something like whiskey? To keep the Irish from ruling the world of course

I think that everyone would agree that Katrina was poorly handled, and the buck stops with the President.

No matter how trivial or symbolic it is... 80% of leadership is just showing up. That's why everyone so admired Rudy Giuliani after 9/11... He ran straight for the scene and kept everyone calm.

I certainly do not agree that the buck stopped with the President!

Need I remind you that within a couple weeks of hurricane Katrina, another hurricane hit around Beaumont, Port Arther and east Houston. Somehow Texas was able to evacuate the whole coast of east Texas without any aid or assistance from the Feds until later.

BTW the Governor of Texas was a Republican....Katrina was a disaster because the evacuation and planning to protect the citizens of NO was a Democrat operation which was a cluster f--k from start to finish.

Could Bush have done more to help perceptions? absolutely...Bush saying "You are doing a fine job Brownie" during a photo op was particularly asinine.

The line that it was because it was poorly handled by a Republican Administration was a lie propagated by the Democrat Party aided by their allies in the MSM to begin with.

We have fought that lie for years and in a few short sentences...McCain sold the farm right out from under us!

Help!!/
My Party's been hijacked,
I'm voting for McCain under duress!!

5 5 5 nt by Jaded

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion


--"Faith is a free work to which no one can be forced. Nay it is a Divine work, done in the Spirit."--Martin Luther

The President can use the US military now in cases of natural disaster that render the State forces unable to to maintain public order.

I believe that Katrina would fall into that category.

Of course... that changes was made in 2006 I believe, so I don't know how Bush could have made use of it.

Also known as "John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal year 2007" in Section 1076. This was signed by President Bush on October 17 2006 The changes in text were repealed by the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, HR4986 Section 1068. The changes made are to the 'Insurrection Act'. The repeal reset the language to its original 1807 wording. The legislation to repeal was introduced by Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Sen. Kit Bond (R-MO). I don't think I've ever agreed with anything Pat Leahy had ever said or done except for this.

Limiting the power of the president to use federal troops to "invade" a state would at times be too tempting (I vote we invade California). Any governor has been able to request assistance (materiel and manpower) when he/she felt that the state resources to handle a situation were lacking. The president at his discretion may fulfill that request but the request has to be made. The request NOT being made was the problem in New Orleans.

Second paragraph rewrite: by From ME to you

The second paragraph should rea "NOT limiting..."

It shouldn't be *easy* to invade a state and maybe reclaim it for the US (again, California comes to mind)but it can be tempting!

because I can't imagine that he would throw the President under any of the buses that Mayor Nagin forgot to put to good use.

Ha! Thought of that one myself.

Katie Bar the Door, sir.

Good one, sir by Finrod

Although I would close that italics tag in your signature if I was you.

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Finrod's First Law of Bandwidth:
A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it takes the bandwidth of ten thousand.

still not complete your nitpicking in time for armageddon.

Katie Bar the Door, sir.

Are we quite satisfied now, prince Finrod? Jiminy Christmas...

You people? hmmmm by aceintx

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I'm voting for McCain under duress!!

If you leave an italics tag open, then most of the rest of the page becomes italics. Then we have to call for a moderator to add in an italics tag to fix it.

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Finrod's First Law of Bandwidth:
A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it takes the bandwidth of ten thousand.

Thanks for the heads up...I think I messed up writing my tag...Can you reply to this and let me know if it's fixed!
Help!!/
My Party's been hijacked,
I'm voting for McCain under duress!!

happens every time he posts. I don't think he ever properly closed his sig tag.

Help!!/

Oh, boo hoo by Norman Rogers

So this is all my fault? Well, I apologize.

One great joke, ruined by an html error I knew nothing about.

And yes, "you people" have never welcomed me here, nor have you appreciated anything that I have had to say.

"You people" have quite the track record of being dismissive of anyone who doesn't join in with your obsessive-compulsive singularity of thought.

Katie Bar the Door, sir.

Hey Norman...Welcom to Red State!!!

Better now?

:>)
Help!!/
My Party's been hijacked,
I'm voting for McCain under duress!!

since day one. You want to be welcomed? Then don't track mud on the carpet. Fix your HTML and stop whining. I'm beginning to think it was MY mistake defending you shortly after you arrived.

Help!!/

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

Wait up. by Nobama

Didn't Eisenhower send the 101st Airborne into Little Rock for high school integration? Back in 1958 or something?

When the governor of Arkansas was a racist Democrat who was totally against it? Lenny something? Help me out.

Proudly supporting John S. McCain for President (McCain/Romney?)

Nobama!! by From ME to you

You are correct! Governor Orval Faubus mobilized the Arkansas National Guard and 'protected' Little Rock Central High school from being invaded by 9 black students (known as 'The Little Rock Nine'). (Sarcasm intended, the students were armed with textbooks and everyone knows that knowledge is dangerous)

The US Justice department asked for and received an injunction prohibiting the use of the troops.

Mayor Woodrow Mann then called on President Eisenhower to send troops in to Little Rock to preserve the peace and enforce integration. President Eisenhower ordered the 101st Airborne to Little Rock. He then Federalized 10,000 members of the Arkansas National Guard taking control away from Governor Faubus. A task force was organized from the National Guardmen and most were deactivated. The Airbrone troops stayed until Thanksgiving while the task force remained for the rest of the school year.

N.B. The presence of the military was requested by the mayor!!!! Woodrow Mann, as the Mayor, had the authority to request the miitary presence. He did the right thing and I believe America is the better for it!
Woodrow Wilson Mann, born November 13 1916; died August 6 2002


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