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I read your reply three times and I’m not following…

Operation Chaos is in the wrong party? So were the Al Gore party now?

What message is JMac sending? Energy and Global warming are mutually exclusive as Global Warming is all about preventing the access to energy.

I can’t make the connection between the blog and economic populist. Please explain.

...comments on other threads.

Open up the strategic reserve. No global warming talk, it is crazy. Conservatives do not care about global warming, middle class voters have no time to worry about whether there's warming or cooling. It always makes me laugh when GOP moderates try to 'pander' to global warming voters.

There is NO global warming voters that can be swung to GOP's column. All of them are college kids, tv talk-heads, and all other eggheads.

There are little if any votes to be gotten by McCain by pandering on "global warming" and/or "climate change". In a time of $126/barrel oil, I can't see any kind of proposal that limits access to energy and/or makes it more expensive carrying any weight with anyone who is not a liberal Democrat partisan.

I'll give McCain the benefit of the doubt, as I don't know exactly what he will say at this point. However, it's not comforting.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

Specifically, in an Obama v. McCain race, I can see that "true believers" are definitely Obama votes. If it was McCain v. Clinton, I think it would be good to go for some of the young enviromentalist sect.

I will note that a lot of people who are non-ideological think global warming is a problem. Talking about it shows a concern about it. The problem isn't his talking about it, it's what "reform" will happen. But since it's a given that some reform will happen after 2008, it doesn't hurt McCain to get moderate creds on this issue.

I mean if he's going to run down-the-line conservative on judges and moderate on global warming, I think most people would prefer that to the other way around.

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...pushing cap and trade scams and/or energy taxes when energy prices are already sky high with $126/barrel oil and record gas prices. McCain proposals make energy more scarce and more expensive.

If he wants to pay lip service to climate change, fine. But I really really hope he doesn't come out with some big proposal to try and pick off some environmentalist votes from Obama. It's bad policy, and bad politics, as the vast majority of these types are Democrat partisan voters anyway.

Again, I don't mind McCain paying lip service to the issue to give the appearance of being "moderate", but I hope he doesn't become Al Gore. That is really bad news.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

when I was on the bus, he would talk about nuclear power any time AGW or energy came up. I hope he really brings that to the fore. I'm sure it would distinguish him and most of the country is fine with nuclear (including many/most enviros).

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKag-WkWuwo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPD7uEe6-u0

Neither are high quality and I didn't re-watch them but they both have nuclear power in the titles.

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....and I know McCain has been a big proponent. I'm glad about that. But he has also made noise about some kind of cap and trade system that would be a disaster for our economy and make energy very expensive.

He's also opposed to drilling, although it seems that he's hedging lately, saying that he's a "federalist" and if Florida and California want to drill, he would encourage them to.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

is a fraud. People such as Gore are watermelons. They are green on the outside and red on the inside. The environmentalist whackos want to attack capitalism just like they did during the Cold War. When communism failed, they needed something new, they found AGW.

Hey, wasn't that funny when GC called me "moderate" the other day?

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Molon Labe!

The people who will vote solely on the Al Gore Global warming issue are the True Believers who will either vote Obama or Nadar -- they will never vote for the Republican.

McCain isn't changing any minds on this issue.

Also, I think the nature of a TrueConservative is too also be a good steward of the earth. There is much that can be done regarding protecting the environment, making the air cleaner, reducing our dependence upon hydrocarbon based energy without doing to the Al Gore extreme and completely destroy the world economy.

I happen to be old enough to remember the Coming Ice Age. I was also young enough at the time to buy into all the Silent Spring nonsense with as much passion as these young kids have today. Been there, done that -- still have to survival equipment and how to survive the ice age and coming collapse of the world literature. You grow up and start to believe in the technology.

M Penny

Again, lip service is fine if he's trying to distance himself from Bush, but why anger your base if it's not going to move any votes - or very few votes if it does.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

If he happens to agree with the vast majority of climate scientists that there is global warming and that man has influenced it and that we can do something to reverse or slow that process, why wouldn't he push it? Just because there are a slew of communists who have glommed onto the global warming issue as a way to push their agenda doesn't mean that the actual warming isn't true. Where I would like to see the party adopt is a free market approach to combat global warming. Senator McCain's support for nuclear power is another good idea. I know that many conservatives don't believe in AGW but frankly I think that has more to do with the sizable number of wackos on the other side of the issue and with their anti-capitalist solutions than with the actual science involved. We need to separate the science from the politics so that we can propose sensible, market based solutions to a real problem. Otherwise, we risk one of two scenarios.

1. The left-wingers implement their disasterous policies and we impoverish ourselves and the rest of the world but perhaps we make some positive improvements on climate change or...

2. We suffer the consequences of a warmer planet just to stick it to the liberals.

Neither scenario works for me.

prove it is true? And remember, some of us are old enough to remember being taught we were entering the next ice age.

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Molon Labe!

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

I try to avoid commenting on these issues because AGW advocacy and denials are like a religious issue here. It's similar to the discussions we have here about Evolution. I am certainly not an "expert" on either issue since I'm neither a climate scientist nor an evolutionary biologist. However, I think I'm bright enough to read through the evidence provided by such experts and base my own point of view based on the balance of the evidence.

AGW may be a hoax, and we may discover, much to our surprise, that God created the world 6,000 years ago and that man never evolved from less complex creatures. However, I feel pretty comfortable, as does John McCain apparently, that we are on steady ground, based on the evidence, when we say that AGW and evolution are scientific facts.

I'll take my chances betting on the other side. The way you tossed out the line "Uh, because it's true?" invited some counterpoint. Don't take it to heart, I think you're cool.

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

you seem a bit smug. I have a question for you, if apes evolved into humans, why is it that no ape has ever evolved into a human in recorded history? Did they decide to shut evolution off say 4000 years ago just because it was no longer needed? Just wondering.

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Molon Labe!

Straw man- humans didn't evolve from apes- we simply share a common ancestor. Come on now.

unless someone actually did make that argument above and I missed it. Sorry if that's the case.

that evoluation is true or untrue.

Strawman identified and incinerated . . .

in 1998 and did so of its own accord ?

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

I may be way off base here, but the way I understand it (in my simplistic way), most scientists believe that global warming "consequences" are more tropical temps in more northern locations. In other words, warming leads to more moisture in the atmosphere, which in turn leads to larger "green belt" areas which are used for growing crops to feed (and I guess now, fuel) the world.

Global cooling is generally believed to bring with it drought and famine.

Scenerio #2 of yours actually works for me.

They never explain how it is we live in the most ideal of possible climates. It is an undemonstrated premise to their argument. And then without bothering to prove the cause of actual climate change, they simply say it is our fault and we will all pay the price (What is the price?!?! I always ask. The more America resembles Florida, the better I say.)

"Hey, I call 'em like I see 'em. I'm a whale biologist."

...in an effort to change it. I'm pretty convinced the only change we can make is the ruining of our economy, but if I'm wrong on that and we can actually push it to global cooling, THEN we will indeed pay a huge price. Millions around the world will die due to the inevitable famine.

I have no interest in knowing whether McCain truly believes Al Gore' warming or not. Non-Obama voters do not have the luxury to worry about warming or cooling when the nation is facing economic anxiety.

What can McCain achieve by talking about Al Gore's warming? Can he out-pander than democrats on this issue? McCain's campaign has no coherent message, he jumps from from one fringe issue(human trafficking) to another, it's crazy.
He has to peel off disgruntled Hillary voters to win, those folks have no patience for Al Gore's planet.

I think he believes it.

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

Pandering, while deplorable, I can live with. McCain has shown that when he truly believes in something, he fights hard for it. If he pushes climate change legislation, God help us.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

All the major GOP candidates "believe" that human's cause global warming. The differences were on what to do.

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Molon Labe!

People don't like to talk about the others. I think that's some of the evidence of anti-McCainism that he gets more attacks when all of them agreed on the problem.

Source.

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but Thompson did not agree. And I agree with Thompson, we really don't know for sure at this point.

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Molon Labe!

The other candidates paid lip service to the issue, but they didn't go as far as McCain and propose cap and trade schemes and energy taxes.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

apparently Fred wasn't a "major candidate".

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

Just a typical, small town, white girl...

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