I Have Had Enough!!
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Open Letter To RedState Directors:
I join RedState shortly after joining the Straight Talk Express and deciding to donate my newly earn money to John McCain's campaign. I wanted to go somewhere, where I could cheer on McCain and complain about Democrats with my follow Republicans. I always seem to join communities that are slanted to the left and I thought this year I join a Pro-McCain group where I can finally feel at home. I mean, how much more Republican can a site be, calling itself RedState?
How wrong could I have been. If I wanted character-assassin rants against McCain or about Republicans in general, I would have stayed at a liberal forum.
I was also excited. As the Democrats were tearing themselves up over their primary, McCain would sweep into the White House and everyone would be saved from a Obama or Clinton Presidency.
Now I'm even more depressed than I was after Giuliani started losing support. The negativity of one's own candidate and party, is enough to bring down those infinitely optimistic about the future. Now I fear a Obama Presidency more than ever.
When deconstructive Republican Doom & Gloom and anti-McCain rants gets more attention than a well thought out pro-McCain article, it only serves to help Democrats and now Barack Obama. I came here to help Republicans and McCain, not to fight my political brothers and sisters. I mean, I don't always agree with McCain. However you don't see me running out and putting him down for the small stuff?
When given the opportunity to put-up or shut-up about corrupt Republicans, they do neither. When next time someone complains about another Don Young "Bridge To Nowhere" wasteful project, I will inform them that they have no room to complain. Inaction, can be just as harmful as action.
I have lost faith in RedState in being a Republican community. It's turning hostile to McCain supporters and becoming a voice for the non-existent US Conservative Party.
So I'm done. Count me out. I have had enough.
[Packs up signature and leaves.]
PS: As I was writing this, aceintx wrote another article. It started off good enough. It was a piece on how each fraction of the Republican Party is fighting each other, which is odd, because he's one to talk. Then he ended with this line (an apparent snipe at McCain): '...we’re faced with a Presidential Candidate foisted on us because it was “His turn” who apparently holds us all in contempt!' It will most likely stay at the top at the Recommended Blogs for days on end, because of the snipe at McCain.
PSS: I might come back after 3.0 goes live. Depends on if this site willing to change in during the mean time. And yes, Neil, please re-read the subtitle of this article. That should explain all...
I understand your need to seperate if RS is driving you down. I do hope that you will keep fighting the good fight for McCain. Go join one of the blogs that are actively promoting him and be sure to tell your friends, family, etc...why it is essential that we elect him and not Barack in Nov.
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...even when he hit his nadir, I'll tell you to stick in there. McCain is the only one who'll save the GOP from the coming holocaust. I've been a member of this board for a while, though I've only recently started posting/participating. This isn't the cheeriest of blogs, as I've come to learn from personal experience.
I think what would be helpful is that you should post and comment even more! McCain is someone who's worth fighting for. Though I've never liked 9iu11ani (mostly b/c of the life issue, the corruption issue, etc), I'm glad someone else feels that McCain's not getting a fair shake. The guy was a POW, is for balance budgets, has a "good" record on tax cuts, pro-life, pro-gun, pro-family. He has sided with the dems on a number of issues and poked the GOP in the eye probably too many times. But if it weren't for all those actions, McCain would be 10-15 points behind Snobama rather than being tied.
_at 4 percent in the polls in a crowded Republican field in 2000! Heck, we had to make our own McCain yard signs in the early days. Those were the days when McCain = excitement to me.
I have many qualms about McCain in particular and our party's leadership in general. I think the party needs to be rebuilt from the ground up with Goldwater Conservatism. However, I would rather go through that process with McCain in the White House than some kook lib.
We do need to fight for McCain and fight for our beliefs. This half hearted stuff will simply not due at all. They say: "lead, follow, or get out of the way", I think that no more true words have been said. To any military unit, there is nothing worse for moral than a group of malingerers and sad sacks. They at best need to be spread out in the ranks and not allowed to add more discontent.
BTW, if Rudy had won the nod, he would be running to the right of McCain, so there! :)
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He was probably one of the most conservative GOP candidates for the past few cycles. He was a hawks, hawk. He was friends with almost every neocon. His supply side policies would put Reagan to shame.
Still, he would have been eviscerated in the general. With the electorate as it is, no conservative--especially with the way Rudy was campaigning--would have won in this cycle. Bush has just destroyed the GOP's goodwill. On abortion, his candidacy would have engendered either a third party candidacy or a walkout by the pro-life base. When it comes to elections, pro-life and pro-gun voters are the real true believers who are guaranteed to vote.
I would have gladly voted for Shrillary over 9iu11ani. The life issue is my number one issue: I tend to be more centrist on a number of other issues. I don't know what I would have done with Snobama vs 9iu11ani.
one minute you say Rudy was too conservative, the next you said you would vote for Hillary of "life issues". Yet Rudy said over and over he would appoint conservative judges even if he did not agree with them over abortion. I am a bit confused.
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...myself to be an economic conservative. I don't like needless wars. On judges, basically I thought Rudy was lying. He is a lawyer, you know. He would've appointed pro-business, pro-roe judges. You don't accept an award from NARAL and then put up judges that would undue a constitutional right you believe in. He even said strict constructionists can uphold roe or not. Which seems to me to mean uphold roe.
Putting up Rudy would be like putting up Huckabee. It would tell a third of the party to go to H***. When we're one vote away from making abortion a state issue, having Rudy as the GOP nominee would have been a stab in the back to all the pro-lifers who have voted GOP for the last thirty-some years.
If you can't even do that, then I guess we'll get by. Somehow.
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I never thought RedState was a Republican site, it is a conservative site.
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Or, at least, that's what I remember.
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Molon Labe!
I believe is the precise quote regarding the purpose of this site in the posting rules - which makes we wonder why they dont have a mission statement. Anyway, Republican and conservative are not the same. This seems to be more of a poltical or Republican site as the moderators seem most concerned with Republican Party activism and elections.
See the Posting Rules.
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Of course, Neil, you're almost young enough to be an Obamite peer :>), so you may not recall that the famous retromercial for Certs - No, it's a candy mint, No, it's a breath mint, no- it's both!
In case you haven't noticed, politics ain't beanbag. Bye.
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You aren't Thomas Crown. See you.
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Too bad that is going to go right over the heads of about 25% of the people that are active now.
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ancient Hebrews, but that would have been unwise. Besides, where was he going to go? Pharaoh? (Although unlike his lineal descendant Obama [who is campaigning on a conflation of both the Mosaic and Pharaonic lines], there were no busses under which to throw recalcitrant family members.)
Look, don't be silly. We all know that McCain was going to be a handful with the Maverick backround. And RS, enlightened as it is, practices divasity. We have room for divas with their endless "woe unto us" blogs about McCain, pure conservatism and how they unaccountably gain weight after scarfing down one whole cheesecake every night. And we have room for people who concentrate on developing a good message and winning elections.
So pick your poison. But don't leave.
and if he thinks this is a negative or unfriendly blog, he must not go to many political blogs :)
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OK...I guess I'm the apparent target of this blog since I was mentioned twice in it.....I guess I should chime in here...I'm not trying to chase anyone away Gator...We disagree on things and your comments to me are often over the top...but I can take it.
The fact that you can't take what you are so quick to dish out says far more about you than it does me.
I invited you on my post from yesterday to speak to specific points I had made or to point out something McCain had said and all you could do is hurl insults at me.
I don't know where you are coming from or what you believe. Who knows, in a different year you and I might get along fine, but I'll never know because I've never heard anything from you except sniping and demands that we all pick up pom poms and sing McCain's praises. I'm sorry I can't bring myself to do that but don't take it so personal.
The second post from me that you mentioned did indeed include a snipe at McCain, It was not the main point of it...but it was there. I can be part of the problem because I am passionate about what I believe...I can admit that. I'm not sure I'll ever be able to reconcile myself to McCain, but it doesn't mean I can't reconcile with the rest of the legs of the stool because I believe all the legs are essential to the stool.
That being said, if you can cool your jet's and have a rational and reasoned discussion with me and others you seem hell bent on attacking with every post I'd like to see you stay...if not...I'm sorry and want to say good bye and good luck!
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It's all of us who have problems with McCain and I'm one of them. I understand that this is a Republican site and a conservative site but here's the deal. Every time pro-McCain posters bring up talking points about why we should vote for McCain, McCain himself refutes them in profound ways. Quite frequently he refutes his own talking points as he becomes surer of his electoral victory this fall.
Instead of convincing us in any real way, we are told that our refusal to support this candidate will make him lose the election. That the election is all about winning. What do we win? More of the same. If that's your definition, you're welcome to it, but you don't have the right to impose it upon me.
We get called names and people rail against us in such a way as to drive the wedge further between us and McCain instead of trying to do anything to win us over. You know what? When you do that you sound like the Democratic Party, like we're too dumb to know anything and that you are best qualified to order our individual lives.
As a patriot, I've always taken the view that we do what's best for the country and sometimes what's best for the country is "tough love." It's hard and it's harsh but when people don't learn from the "gentle" lessons, sometimes the harsh are all you have left.
Now, I've not told anybody here or anywhere they shouldn't vote for McCain. That's their decision and mine is mine. Nor do I call people names or tell them they're stupid for their decisions. Every time I talk about why I can't vote for McCain, his supporters have a golden opportunity to convince not only me but anybody reading these blogs that he's still worth supporting. Instead, diaries/blogs resemble nothing but school yard brawls.
Here's something I used to tell my children when they were bound and determined to do something that I knew was not going to be in their best interests, "If you're going to make adult decisions, then be prepared for adult consequences."
Remember, too, the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again, while expecting different results.
Most of the conservatives on here advocate unhappily voting for McCain and working within the party to effect changes. Well, that same sentiment has been uttered through how many presidential elections now? [Hint: Since well before Reagan and it appears that his success was more a fluke than any actual result of making changes within the party. Furthermore, the Republican Party has spent and overspent the political capital Reagan brought to them.]
How's that working out for yall? When do we stop doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results?
My thing with Gator and others is this....The second post he mentions " The Body of Conservatism: Each Part is Crucial for the Optimal Function of the Other Parts; What’s Wrong Today! is almost 30 paragraphs long, all talking about why I believe each leg of the Conservative stool is far from being factions but are complimentary and essential to support the hole ideology. I laid out how each one requires the other two in order to exist. I throw in two sentences at the end...
"The Congress is in trouble because it obviously holds FisCons in contempt and refuses to acknowledge the problems of its profligate spending and we’re faced with a Presidential Candidate foisted on us because it was “His turn” who apparently holds us all in contempt!
They’ve all sown the wind…and I fear they will reap the whirlwind in November!
And from the reaction of Gator and Steve LA, you'd think I'd literally drawn and quartered McCain right in front of them! Gator then runs off in a huff after calling names and insulting everyone around him who hasn't walked the plank for McCain...and I'm supposed to feel bad about it?
I'm sorry to see anyone go, and don't want to chase anyone off...I'd rather debate with them, and have a reasoned discussion about where we differ...but I won't be censored in order to prop up someone's fragile ego!
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was as comy around humans as his cousins on the 18th at Hilton Head. No, Big5 was little4 when it came to defending his vacuous position.
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for McCain and his supporters. I remember back in the primary I would check out McCain's site and even the blog on his own site was partially hostile to him! I would say its because the people who take the time to blog tend to not be moderate. Anyway I'm a fan of Redstate but you have to have a thick skin especially if you're not an orthodox talk radio style conservative. It would be nice to see you stay, I hate to see the McCainiac ranks dwindle, but you've got to be tough.
You spell like a troll, anyway.
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