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And this is truly my last on the GOP before November 2008...Why, you ask? Well...it's simple, really - I'm sick of the whole bloody mess...THAT'S why.
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John McCain wins Florida. Rudy is set to endorse his candidacy, Huckabee sucked all through the process...and Romney is the Conservative we all knew better than to believe.
M'kay...and, now?
Well, see, this Presidential race was always about who in the GOP could win against the Democrat contender...and secondarily about whether Conservatism ever really had anything to do with it, or whether the plan all along was to seat Conservatism in the upper deck of ideas at Foxboro stadium...forced to endure piss-poor Governance over the course of the next 4 or 8 years...and we know where the GOP has decided to place her bets...don't we?
Congratulations are in order for Johnny Mac and the Mittster...and while I had endorsed Rudy after Fred had his butt handed to him in SC (knowing full well I would never have actually voted for anyone willing to take my guns, destroy the concept of "family" and willingly let more babies be butchered so as to not anger the female gender's insistence that they be allowed to commit murder because they are women), it has become quite clear that the GOP actually LIKES pretending that Conservatism is something that it isn't...and, as the youngsters like to say...I'm down wid dat...
As a Conservative first, and a Republican if it suits me (assuming Republican candidates want to attempt some level of engagement with conservative-minded constituents) I accept that I must support whomever is NOT a Democrat in November. While it may appear to be John McCain, in the end...all that will matter is that I vote for one who is NOT a Democrat. I get it.
There's always 2012...and until then, LOCAL elections will mean EVERYTHING.
In the mean time...Rome burns...
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When the Democrats attack, McCain caves.
Thank goodness it's long way to November. I'm going to need the time.
because you are still willing to vote.
Yeah. McCain would be the last nominally Republican president. Whether it were the doing of Hillary or McCain, the 2012 election would be overrun with illegal aliens who had by then been given the vote. No republican would evermore get elected nationally.
If anything, this outcome is MORE of a certainty with McCain than with Hillary, because if she did it, there would be an other side to scream about it. With McCain, nobody would be able to say a thing.
Not you're going to say that we'll have enough strings on him to stop him from doing it. But we won't. If we took back both the House and the Senate, we might. But that's asking an awful lot, and everyone knows we can't count on it.
Were he to win, he would be loyal to the people on the lib side that would have had to cross over to get him in (yes, this assumes they would, which I don't -- in fact they'll give us Hillary instead) and continue to revel in the good press that being a liberal draws. Wake up and smell the Hernandez. When McCain suggests that he doesn't have to agree with Juan ...do you believe him? Do you really believe that the guy who called fellow Republican senators ugly names because they wanted the same secure borders he now claims HE wants, would keep an advisor he didn't agree with on anything?
Well... miracles do happen. Maybe he'll get to the end of his road before the convention. Old men like him do tend to die. Hey, that raises a good question: Supposing McCain drops dead from his advanced years before the election but after taking the convention? Are we stuck with whoever his VP pick is? Do we lose by forfeit because the ballots are printed and can't be changed? Anyone know the procedure? Kind of amazing this hasn't come up in 200+ years.
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"It will not be McCain."
-Taniwha
More unwilling to see the others view point than now. This is the problem. It always has been the problem. Your characterization of Rudy, is just as false as the Socon's self pity, or Mitt's position changes. But we have waged such a slash and burn campaign rapprochement is near impossible.
Well
We have sown discord and reaped John McCain.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Does Rudy NOT favor gun control as a means of improving the safety on the streets? Does he not favor (or at least is willing to allow) Gay and Lesbian marriage? Does he NOT accept the SCOTUS decision re: Roe as a resultant Constitutional right worthy of public funding?
Let's at least be fair here...
If you really believe we SoCons...unhappy that our positions on life and marriage are no more than self-pity... then we are indeed fighting, and the party will be split for a very long time.
But, like ALL good b****s, we'll vote "R"...right?
Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida.
-Quintus Horatius Flaccus
We got the DOMA. We got the PBA. We got two very conservative justices. How can socons claim to have gotten shafted (As the Hucksters are so prone to ?)
On Rudy's positions, I suspect he would have grown into a very strong federalist. Its the ideal position for him as it lets him avoid fights that don't do him a damn bit of good.
As I have always said man, I will be voting for the R. I just can't see myself doing much to help him. When I wake up in the morning I am probably going to cut a check to the flip flopper.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida.
-Quintus Horatius Flaccus
Never have I voted for McCain before nor will I vote for him now.
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--Aristotle
Pete M
I will find it very, very difficult to pull the lever for John McCain. I believe that McCain could cause more damage to our country than Clinton or Obama. If Clinton or Obama (especially Clinton) get elected, I believe that the spineless republicans in the Congress will be energized, and thus attempt to block all of her left wing proposals.
On the other hand, if McCain were to be elected, the spineless republican congress would most likely fall in line with his proposals. The republicans would be forced to put on a good face for the country rather than be immediately at odds with their new president. This would give McCain a long “honeymoon” in which he could again push for his amnesty plan for illegal aliens! Either way, it will be a potential disaster for our great but declining country
Like in 1993 and 1994 when the Democrats had Congress and the presidency. You know when we got that tax hike, and 2 ultraliberal Justices on the Supreme Court just to name 2 things off the top of my head. The minority will be able to block some things, but don't count on it all the time. Which means the country will move left, I don't know if that'll be before or after they will prematurely take troops out of Iraq.
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As a libertarian first, and a Republican if it suits me (assuming Republican candidates want to attempt some level of engagement with libertarian-minded constituents) I accept that I must support whomever is NOT a Democrat in November.
If you think McCain is a hard lever to pull for a SoCon, imagine how hard it is for me.
I too, wil have to vote AGAINST Hillary. McCain is not my first pick, but I can't count on Republicans to fight Hillary and the Dems. She is nast and plays ugly...she will find a way to get her way. (I can just see her screaching, "becauseI am President and I said so")
It is still our duty as an American to vote....I think all Conservatives and Republicans need to vote against higher-taxes, against ending a war that was waged upon us, vote for integrity and personal responsibility. Maybe this does not fully encapsulate McCain, but t still means voting against Hil and Obama.
MelZ
I have to ask where are all the great conservative candidates? Who at the RNC prevents them from running? Pehaps there are not enough true conservative voters in this country at this time to put a real conservative in office. Maybe Freds lousy campaign didn't inspire alot of us to take him serious. I don't feel any attachment to any of these candidates but will pull the leaver for any republican over the dem. I'm also sick of those in my party that want to pick up their toys and go home when their candidate doesn't win in the primaries. Anyone running as a republican in this election is preferable to another damn Clinton in the WH.
There are some possibilities among governors (Sanford of South Carolina, the newly-elected Jindal of Louisiana), but more for 2012 than 2008. Top Senators like Coburn or DeMint don't appear to be interested in going nationally. Additionally, the implosion of the Republican Party in states like Ohio, Virginia and North Carolina is really hurting the farm team.
If conservatives do support the republican candidate despite him not being a conservative, then what happens if he wins? How long then is it before we have another shot at a real conservative candidate? Let's say it is McCain/Huckabee? If they had a successful run, it could be sixteen years of no conservative candidates.
Well, I decided to draw a line, and that line for me is Romney (for better or worse). And he isn't even a sure thing. I could change my mind and decide the line has already been crossed before November. At some point it is better off for true conservatives if the liberal elected to office is in the democrat party so that we only have to wait four more years for a chance to run a real conservative. But if the republican party can't field some across the board conservatives, then I think the party is in for a long dry spell.
McCain has been the pick of the party "leadership" the whole time. And, now we see his candidacy back from the dead. Makes me wonder just how much choice we really have.
It's better if the liberal is a democrat. I have reached that same line you have!
It's shaping up to be a ugly November. But perhaps a 1964 for the rockefeller wing of the party. We conservatives have to be ready to pick up the pieces.
In this situation, short term pain may well equal long term gain. Perhaps we can turn the coming debacle into a positive thing. But we have to get true conservative leadership from members of the party.
I ask again where are these conservative candidates that are willing to put themselves out there to run for the nomination? I'm no McCain fan but he was all but left for dead this summer but he never gave up and put his whole heart and soul into the race as is Romney and even Huckabee. Why hasn't another Reagan thrown his hat in the ring? Reagan was able to run and win as a republican. Please someone shut Pat Buchanan up I can't stand his BS any more.
It is encouraging to read here - almost exclusively - that VOTING is of such importance and (laugh if you will) significance to some.
Overcoming the opposition sometimes does take priority (see http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/hillarys_oedipal_problem.html).
Over at sites like Michell Malkin, Hot Air, Right Wing News - to name a few - one cannot count the number of people claiming they will not vote, if McCain is the GOP candidate (if only these were clearly democratic trolls...sigh).
I hope some of you still have the energy to counter such defeatism/futilism/infantilism, should you happen to encounter such blogs.
Lots of luck with that. The rest of us will work to elect a commander and chief capable of defending the country and digging our nation out of debt.
I think the hangover will wear off and a lot of these people will realize how truly bad the Dems are this time out and hop aboard the Straight Talk Blandwagon. While McCain is bad on a lot of issues, he isn't painfully and willfully bad on *EVERY* issue.
"If this ain't a mess, it'll do until one shows up." -Sheriff Bell, No Country For Old Men
And the one's he's bad on, he's very bad. The country is going to suffer now. The only thing we're arguing about is how soon we can fix that. And a McCain presidency would push the date where we could start righting things out 8 years instead of 4.
that is camped out on the Capitoline hill.
Sorry, but it's a sad day in America when it looks like we will have to choose between a socialist and a RINO.... I'm going Liberatarion!
"Chance favors the prepared mind"
I was thinking this morning about the differences between McCain and Pres. Bush. If he does win the nom., perhaps things won't go as badly as they already are.
1. McCain wrote the infamous McCain-Feingold. It amazes me that he has never been asked about this atrocious piece of legislation in the debates. But looking at the big picture, it was our R-controlled congress and R pres. that signed it into law.
2. McCain worked with Kennedy on shamnesty. Of course he lost that battle. But remember, Bush was behind him all the way on this.
3. McCain gives the impression that he's a hawk in the GWOT. But he refuses to allow techniques like waterboarding? C'mon, John. You of all people should know the difference between real torture and just scaring the daylights out of someone. For this one, McCain loses and Bush wins.
4. McCain says he wants to control spending. Bush never seemed very interested in that. This time, McCain wins & Bush loses.
5. McCain voted against Bush's tax cuts. He claims it was a protest vote because the cuts weren't coupled with spending cuts. Sorry John, but a tax cut is a tax cut. Bush wins, you lose.
6. Both McCain and Bush are pro-life. That's always a very good thing.
7. McCain appears to have joined Algore's Church of AGW. Bush seems to have stayed in the inquiry process but McCain seems to have already taken confirmation and first communion. Bush wins again.
On most other issues like the 2nd amendment to education, both McCain and Bush are very much alike. So just what kind of president would we get with McCain? I don't have the answer but frankly, I'd prefer 4 more years of Bush. Of course that's impossible so I guess we're all just gonna have to hope and pray that "Maverick" McCain doesn't water down our agenda too much.
I'm not voting for him, no way, no how. As it is, it's going to be hard for me as a right-leaning Arizonan libertarian to vote for McCain regardless of the VP pick.
McCain, in the wake of his Sam Alito pronouncement on judges may be better with Huck as a VP. Huck won't have any policy control, but my be able to swing some judge influence as part of the deal.
I doubt it, but I am grasping for positives right now.
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is because, barring some unlikely disaster, after McCain's terms are up, Huck will be next in line to become the Repub nominee for president. Ugh.
(Besides that, I don't think that Huckabee has a clue of how to nominate a good justice--after all, there's more to being a justice than simply rulings on Roe vs. Wade.)
"If this ain't a mess, it'll do until one shows up." -Sheriff Bell, No Country For Old Men
I guess that we socially conservative, stupid religious goobers had a little more clout than you imagined, huh.
I thought tonight that if the democrats attack hard & vicious against McCain if he is the nominee & if he is elected, that may push him to the right, much in the same way I feel the constant attacks pushed W to the right on many issues.
Meanwhile, local elections are a great focus & place to elect conservatives. Build up from the ground.