Breaking Down Obama's Sermon on the Mount of Victory
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Go get your Obama shirt at CNN, and then come back to break down his rhetoric.
From Obama's speech last night:
We will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth.
"this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick"
As it stands, the United States has the greatest healthcare system on earth. In fact, the healthcare systems in the places Obama wants to model are so bad that those who can flee to the United States for healthcare. What Obama really means is that we should be prepared to accept lower standards of care so that every single person can get a bed in the hospital while they wait for treatment, assuming they don't die first. That is, after all, how it works in his preferred countries.
If you haven't barfed yet, keep reading . . .
"good jobs to the jobless"
If the jobless do not have a good job in the present economy, they probably suffer some mental or physical incapacity preventing them from getting a "good" job. And what is the definition of "good" anyway? In fact, until Bush proved the economists wrong, it was widely thought that "full employment" was actually 5% unemployment because about 5% of the nation is, in fact, incapable of working for one reason or another.
"the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal"
He's like Moses, but with 62% more Christ-like abilities, except in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Florida, Puerto Rico, West Virginia, and South Dakota.
"this was the moment when we ended a war"
Actually, your victory in the Democratic primary just emboldened our enemies to think Americans have grown weary of fighting. Your victory in November will mean our enemies stop fighting in Iraq and come back to the United States to fight us at home.
"this was the moment … we secured our nation"
Yep, we've started down the path toward making our nation safe. Too bad we're making it safe for our enemies to come in and kill us. Heck, why do you really think Hamas and Hezbollah like you? It's not because of your middle name. It's because they know you will capitulate and fold over. Look at how fast you've caved to the right wing. You're likely to cave even faster to people Bush has sent into caves.
"this was the moment when we … restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth."
As what? The last, best hope on Earth to get communism right? Please. That you are worried about our image and not actually worried about us just shows how vapid and shallow you are.
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I'm with Moe... this clown really does believe his own hype.
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The man just drips pure, unadulterated arrogance out of every single pore of his body. It's like someone used genetics to merge the condescention and arrogance of Kerry with the policies of McGovern and the prettiness of Edwards into a single, nauseating excuse for a major party candidate.
Since it appears that McCain isn't going to do it, I certainly hope that the 527s out there are loading up the rhetorical guns for this one...
"I don't seek the presidency on the presumption I'm blessed with such personal greatness that history has anointed me to save my country in its hour of need. I seek the office with the humility of a man who cannot forget my country saved me."
I think he is a bit annoyed by Obama myself. He will hit hard on policy, but we need the 527's for the personal stuff.
McCain '08
"I don't seek the presidency on the presumption I'm blessed with such personal greatness that history has anointed me to save my country in its hour of need. I seek the office with the humility of a man who cannot forget my country saved me."
-John McCain
"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me
I meant Ayers, Pfleger, Whitey tape, and Wright.
McCain '08
is probably an understatement.
I have seen the effect Barbar has on normally laid back quiet
conservatives. (Growling, knashing of teeth, throwing things at television)
I can only imagine what Barbars lack of any real substance will do to someone with McCain's volitilty.
Stand by for a fun election. McCain's temper properly applied may be just what we need....
Regards
McCain's campaign so far has shown zero ability to come up with anything to excite the people who do find Obama so offensive.
That you are worried about our image and not actually worried about us just shows how vapid and shallow you are.
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So much of what Barack said last night offended me deeply. I'm ready to start calling BS on this POS rhetoric he is trying to sell to the American masses.
I am so sick and tired of every liberal that comes along acting like America is the original sin and must be cured of all our ills. Makes me want to puke.
Redstaters, this speech should be our Call to Arms, because Barack basically just tried to kick us to the curb last night.
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Just a typical, small town, British-American girl...
As it stands, the United States has the greatest healthcare system on earth.
Only if you work for a large corporation with a generous health care plan.
Not if you're self-employed, or unemployed, or poor, or employed in a mom-and-pop small business that offers its employees no health care coverage.
If you're self-employed like me, the health care choices you have suck.
This happy-talk has got to stop. The GOP is doomed if it keeps trying to convince the American electorate how wonderful everything is. The public will listen if the GOP shows it knows there are genuine problems and is willing to propose genuine solutions. But happy-talk is going to fall flat on its face.
To his credit, McCain understands this. So did Huckabee. It seems like most other Republicans don't.
... and the industry doesn't owe you anything, either. It's great that you're self-employed -- so's my dad. He learned it too: health care is expensive. If you have a decent job, you normally don't have to pay attention to exaclty -how- expensive it is -- but it is expensive.
There are some market means of cutting costs, as well as some legislative (but not like you're thinking -- more along the lines of liability and tort reform).
But your minirant didn't dispel the notion that it is, indeed the BEST healthcare system on earth. You only said why it doesn't work for you. Doesn't prove it's not better than the rest.
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He said it was a lousy system--and I agree (more below).
He did not suggest in any way that the way to fix it was with emulating socialized medicine. I think you just assumed that someone griping about an alleged problem must have a particular solution in mind.
As to it being the "best":
"BEST" system in what respect? In its ability to provide very good services to some. Yes. In its ability to provide basic services to many others, very lousy.
I've been on both sides of the insurance experience, and it is miserable on the other side.
As to whether the taxpayers owe anybody healthcare, I will defer. But I will say that one of the strongest arguments for a free-enterprise system is precisely that it has proved the greatest anti-poverty program in the history of the world.
SImilarly, I think it is fair to say that our healthcare system has failed in that respect. And I should add that it should be a REpublican priority to propose a plan that will further exploit the genius of the free market system to bring better services at much lower prices.
Barack Obama: The most inexperienced, far-left candidate the Democratic Party has ever dared to nominate to be our President.
Barack Obama: The most inexperienced, far-left candidate the Democratic Party has ever dared to nominate to be our President.
be a federal priority. There's no such thing as a right to healthcare. As I said, there are some things that can be done... but not necessarily on the federal legislative end.
that's not to say McCain can't use the bully pulpit to tell the industry to get their butts in gear and make suggestions as to how -- but we need to be very cautious in the language we use regarding the insurance industry. Libs turn industry giants into villians. Conservatives encourage them to provide better service.
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of the tax code. The federal government did cause this mess, so they do have a role in fixing it.
Why did people historically rely on employment-based medical insurance? Because the tax code was set up to incentivize that arrangement . . . which resulted in significant market distortions.
citizens of one state to purchase health insurance from a policy issued in another state. This would help competition because state-law mandates (i.e. you must cover X disease and Y treatment) limit competition.
Better to allow competition across the entire country.
Can't be fixed by the Feds.
Check your state's list of everything health insurance must cover.
As someone once said around here, you might want that beat up, old pickup with no AC, but the government is requiring you to buy a Lexus.
But, there's a way around everything. Take a look into HSAs and direct access PPOs (there are programs out there that allow you to bypass the insurance and get billed what the insurance company pays by way of PPOs). You still have to pay for the entire cost of the visit, but unless you suffer something catastrophic, it's a far better choice than out and out insurance...
"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me
The United States' healthcare system is certainly among the best in the world if not at the top, but this statement still needs to consider how effective it is as a collective tool to maintain public health. We could also say Air Force One is the greatest passenger aircraft in the world. Does this in turn mean that the United States has the best air transportation system in the world?
And yes, those who can get out of nationalized systems in Europe to get here for advanced procedures do so. But this, in my opinion, is another symptom of the problem we have now that quality healthcare is available only to those who work for large companies or are otherwise financially independent. I have no illusions that other countries' nationalized healthcare systems being perfect. However, while they have people dying waiting in line for treatment, we have people who die or suffer because they can't afford treatment. Again, healthcare in Europe isn't great. But is our system of letting people with fat wallets jump the line really that much better?
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I am the Pumpkin King.
The United States' healthcare system is certainly among the best in the world if not at the top, but this statement still needs to consider how effective it is as a collective tool to maintain public health. We could also say Air Force One is the greatest passenger aircraft in the world. Does this in turn mean that the United States has the best air transportation system in the world?
And yes, those who can get out of nationalized systems in Europe to get here for advanced procedures do so. But this, in my opinion, is another symptom of the problem we have now that quality healthcare is available only to those who work for large companies or are otherwise financially independent. I have no illusions that other countries' nationalized healthcare systems being perfect. However, while they have people dying waiting in line for treatment, we have people who die or suffer because they can't afford treatment. Again, healthcare in Europe isn't great. But is our system of letting people with fat wallets jump the line really that much better?
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I am the Pumpkin King.
The United States' healthcare system is certainly among the best in the world if not at the top, but this statement still needs to consider how effective it is as a collective tool to maintain public health. We could also say Air Force One is the greatest passenger aircraft in the world. Does this in turn mean that the United States has the best air transportation system in the world?
And yes, those who can get out of nationalized systems in Europe to get here for advanced procedures do so. But this, in my opinion, is another symptom of the problem we have now that quality healthcare is available only to those who work for large companies or are otherwise financially independent. I have no illusions that other countries' nationalized healthcare systems being perfect. However, while they have people dying waiting in line for treatment, we have people who die or suffer because they can't afford treatment. Again, healthcare in Europe isn't great. But is our system of letting people with fat wallets jump the line really that much better?
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I am the Pumpkin King.
You honestly need to do some study on the health care systems in other countries to learn about all the people whose conditions are exacerbated - sometimes to the point of death - by the mandatory waiting periods that inevitably come with socialized medicine. Of course, if you are really, stinking, filthy rich you can generally bribe your way to the front of the line. Here in America, you always have immediate access to healthcare for a relatively modest fee. The fact that you made choices w/r/t your career that make healthcare modestly expensive isn't an indictment on our healthcare system, it's evidence that you're not fond of accepting the consequences of your choices.
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In socialist systems, it is rationed by the government through beaurocracies that limit access, limit treatment, impose long waiting times and so forth. In this country, it is "rationed" by your ability to pay for healthcare or insurance. If you don't have health insurance in this country, you are still going to wait or forgoe treatment, have limited options for treatment and have a good chance of dying because you can't afford healthcare.
In my opinion, we need to understand that in a free society, some people will not be able to afford healthcare and will suffer and die because they can't afford it. Government's attempt to intervene in the free market actually makes the healthcare more expensive for everyone and may actually increase the number of people who may suffer and die. Allowing the free market to create healthcare solutions for citizens of all economic statuses is a better solution in the long run. Sure, the wealthy will always be able to afford better health care. They will be more likely to receive the latest and best treatments. Even in a socialized healthcare environment, the wealthy will still find a way to get the best healthcare. The problem will be that the governments intervention in healthcare may provide minimally better healthcare for those at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder but only at the cost of inferior healthcare for the majority of citizens.
It's good to see you now posting without the affectation of a Republican. But now I urge you to dial back your tone a bit. There are left-wingers who post here without causing trouble or getting in trouble. Emulate them.
Well how about you first experience a "socialized" health care system, before you complain about how bad the system is in the US. I currently live in a county that has a social health care system, and it is so bad, that my wife and I have decided that should anyone in our family become seriously ill, we are going back to the US for treatment. And my wife happens to be a citizen of the country and grew up with the social welfare system, she thinks it's crap (go figure). But then I guess your inexperience trumps her experience because she can "talk happy" about the US system.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
If you are looking for a "right to healthcare"
or a "right to education"
just look in the constitution, that is the communist constitution.
It's in there, along with all the other "rights" the media and Demoncrats keep talking about.
It is not, however in the the American Constitution.
Cowboy up. You will be fine. Keep reading Redstate.
Regards,
Look into HSAs and Direct Access PPOs. Just a friendly tip.
"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me
Undocumented (illegal) aliens too!
I swear, anyone who wants the government to take over health care needs to spend two years in the military. They get free government health care too. It wasn't always awful, but a good bit of it was HORRENDOUSLY bad, to the point of scary, scary, scary.
Like a civilian contract doctor trying to tell my (now ex) wife she had tonsillitis, and refusing to hear both of us say, "But she has no tonsils!" Of course, the fact that he was not a native English speaker probably had a lot to do with it. That's what we'll get though, the only general practitioner or family doctors willing to work on the government dime will be imports. All the rest will specialize so they can survive financially.
"Government of the people, by the people, for the people."
A. Lincoln
In either a socialized system or a capitalistic system of medicine, healthcare is a limited resource. If you don't want illegal aliens taking a piece of the pie, how is it different than rich people from other countries coming in to do the same thing? Granted the former would be on a larger scale, but does that make it morally more or less acceptable to you? It doesn't to me, personally. I don't like either happening. This could be mitigated in a nationalized system extremely easily: can't demonstrate legal presence in the country? Sorry.
Also, your story doesn't sound like you should be scared of nationalized healthcare. It sounds like you should be scared of government contracts being awarded to the lowest bidder, imho.
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I am the Pumpkin King.
They pay for the service. I would venture that the vast majority of All medical tourists, whether rich or otherwise, actually PAY for the services they receive.
Illegals? Not so much.
"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me
"This could be mitigated in a nationalized system extremely easily: can't demonstrate legal presence in the country? Sorry."
So, um, how do they get social security cards? Driver's licenses? Vote? Tax refunds?
"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me
And it is much better than when I was with a large corp. I paid almost $400/month for my husband and I. Now I pay $140/month for my husband and I and the coverage is almost exactly the same, I think my copay is about $5 more.
Compare ours to just about ANY other country. There is a THREE year wait in some countries for HEART surgery. In Canada, need knee replacement, it will only be about 6 months.
With that said, I don't disagree with the rest of what you said. We do need to recognize that for many Americans life is not fine and hunky-dorey. McCain will have to attack Obama and articulate real, simple, understandable policies.
MelZ
visit Ohio, Pennsylvania and to inner cities to see how destructive Bush's policy has been and I think he even said he should go to New Orleans(where he gave his speech from last night).
Does Obama not realize that this is what McCain has been doing while Obama has been losing primaries? I've seen McCain give speeches at closed factories and in primarily black communities.
For all the time Obama has spent in Ohio and PA, apparently he hasn't impressed the people there.
As if McCain is going to suddenly visit a struggling factory and say "Gee, maybe the right way to fix this is to withdraw from trade deals with our allies and raise taxes on the corporation running the factory and the people who invest in it".
"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me
What Obama really means is that we should be prepared to accept lower standards of care so that every single person can get a bed in the hospital while they wait for treatment, assuming they don't die first
That's not the way it's done in Britain, where a Tory party promise that nobody will wait more than 4 hours for treatment once they set foot in a hospital has resulted in critical patients being kept in ambulances and in the parking lot for hours on end, with administrators preventing their entry into the hospitals and emergency rooms until they can be seen within four hours.
But hey, good call, Senator Obama.
why do you really think Hamas and Hezbollah like you? It's not because of your middle name. It's because they know you will capitulate and fold over.
Now this, I definitely agree with.
The real issue here is one of mindset: What should our leaders say and do when confronted by an implacable foe who is interested, not in justice for a grievance, but in acquiring naked power?
The point I would make to the public, if I had a chance, is that we've had to face that challenge at least twice before: The rise of totalitarian fascism and the rise of totalitarian Communism. And we had the same types of mindsets to choose from.
One mindset was that of non-judgmentalism, moral equivalence, pacifism, naivete, and being terrified of war to the point of paralysis. In the case of fascism, we got that answer from the isolationist Right. In the case of communism, we got that answer from the Left. But in both cases, it turned out to be the wrong answer.
So why should we try it again, now that we're confronted by a third implacable foe--radical Islam? Why not try what already worked back then: Will power, a strong military, skepticism ("Trust but verify"), and a strong belief that morality and goodness are on our side, not the enemy's?
You ask, how can he say that "this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal"? But who are you to question Obama? Where were you when he shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? When he made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, and brake up for it his decreed place, and set bars and doors, and said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
Obama will question you, and you shall answer him.
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I say thee, Nay! Thou shalt fall to thy knee and tremble in fear and awe of his majesty!
"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me
He was ejaculating roses the whole time.
I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.
Your incapacity to hope is laudable.
You beat me to it:
"...this was the moment when we ended a war..."
No, no, no, Senator: This would be the moment when you surrendered to the enemies of the Constitution you were sworn to protect.
My Mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer 6/06. She was given 6-8 weeks to live. She and my father were retired at the time and lived on a fixed income and paid their own health coverage out of pocket to cover what medicare didnt. The health care system that so many Liberals(and when I say Liberals please feel free to read Communists) like to bash worked wonders for her.
Not only did she get a referal to the University of Michigan Medical Center where she was given an operation to remove the cancer, by a doctor who is considered to be in the top 5 in the nation, and follow up cate that included chemo and radiation. This "failed system" extended my mothers life for an additional year.
In that year she saw the birth of her first granddaughter, and was able to visit all of the friends and family she might not have been able to if her care was not so competent, complete and compassionate.
And the cost of this? $28 per month paid in premiums to their insurance carrier. By the way my parents lived on $1700.00 per month.
The total cost to care for my mother until her death, which included a live in nurse for the last 2 weeks of her life, was well over 2 million dollars. The total out of pocket cost for my parents? ZERO. NADA. ZIP.
Please forgive me if anyone wants me to believe that socialized medicine would have done any better as I would have to call them a USEFUL FOOL.
This personal experiance has proven to me that private coverage and the American heath care system is second to none.
So let me spell this out for any Liberals out there.
My mother gettting cancer in America - $2,000,000.00
Receiving top notch heath care in America - $28.00 per month
Not having a government bean counter rationing out coverage so she could live for another year - Priceless
I heard a British physician explain it this way.
If you come to my office with a kidney problem late in the budget cycle needing dialysis, I must check the budget for dialysis before prescribing treatment.
If there are dialysis funds left I prescribe dialysis.
If the budget for dialysis is spent, the law requires me to send you home to die saying there is nothing I can do for you. The law does not allow me to tell you that dialysis would save your life if you can get to America. That would case civil unrest and bad publicity. So go home, check out never knowing you were treatable.
That is OBAMBAcare.
I have Hillary's healthcare published edition sitting on my shelf.
Much the same. If a doctor accepts payment from an individual for better healthcare than the government approves, he does jail time.
Please do not forget that Obamacare/Hillarycare/demoncratcare is nationalizing one-seventh of the US economy.
People complained when Chavez tried to nationalize his economy.
Poorly educated and poorly informed people here are asking for it.!?
Regards
So, your mother benefited from this transfer of wealth from me to her. I'm glad she's well but I don't think that medicare is sustainable at current benefit levels and me and my children will not be so lucky if we get ill at that age. If the government was not taking money out of my paycheck for medicare and medicaide, I could invest the money to put aside for my own future healthcare needs and if there was any money left, give it to my kids for their needs.
Thank you for acknowledging the benefit that medicare provided to my mother as it does show that the current system works.
I may have not made clear though that she did pass on one year after deing diagnosed.
The point I was trying to make was that in the current health care system in this country people who need care can get it and it does not break them nor do they suffer from regulated "rationing" of services.
I conceed your point that the current system will fail eventually and will pass the costs on to a generation who will be unable to pay the bill. But my mother paid taxes into a system that promessed her the benefit she received and for that I am greatful. She fought the war with the "Army" she had not the one we think she should have had.
Should the system be changed? YES. But to say that there is a heath care crisis in the country is wrong. To say that it is wrong the way it is being funded is right.
When I look at the Liberal plan for health care in the US I see Medicare blown into a monster entitlement that makes the current system look down right modest. And so I get back to my original point of while her care was "socialized" it was neither lacking, restricted or de-humanizing which is where I feel many would want to go to say that "Everyone is covered". In that system she would have been written off.
Copy over from another post of mine (edited alot of the, lets say, angry language and lines of cursing I had typed as I watched this tripe.
Just from watching Obama's speech it shows why Hill is keeping up the fight. Barack is spewing the same tired words that Kerry spewed, he's lying more then normal.
"John McCain needs to see the people who lost their job and can't afford a new job because gas is too high to drive around."
Barack, buddy, pal, its your party that made gas that high. Its your party that refuses to let us drill in out huge stashes of oil, refuses to let us build refineries, refuses to let us build nuclear power plants. Your party came to power in the senate and congress and gas went up $2, your party is at fault for this gas crisis, stop trying to bring hope because your the reason these people lost hope. (ill has $4.00 gas, with Baracks .53 gas tax)
"We need to show that college is not a privilege its a birthright."
No friend, its not. Success isn't a birthright, success is something you must achieve, college isn't to be free, because it would have the same half ass, semi-retarded teachers as our public schools, college isn't to be free because the people paying for that college will be we Americans who already had to pay for college once and now we have to push ever Tom, Dick, and Jamal through too?
"I will not spread fear like the other party."
Barack, sweety, honey buns, shmookims, two minutes ago you went on a 5 minute diatribe on the hole we're going to be in for not stoking the ego that is global warming. You claim the republicans are in the politics of fear, what is telling us we're going to destroy the world if we don't change? Is that not fear?
Below are a few lines from Obama's books his words:
From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mothers race.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'
From Dreams of My Father: ; 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'
From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
You end with "God Bless, God Bless America" lets see how much you want America to be blessed and by which god.
God Bless John McCain, Barack. God Bless, the men and woman who fight and die for our land, God Bless those who see past your fake exterior and your baloney lines, and God help us if we are forced into four years of you.
questioning/commenting on such trivial little matters like cost of fuel, unemployment.... These distractions you spew forth are nothing more than racist propaganda. From now on you may only question/comment Obama on....wait I will have to get back to you on that.
:)
MelZ
If by Martin, Barbar means Martin Luther King, Jr. and by Malcolm, he means Malcolm X,
he must have not studied Dr. King very much, and Malcolm X a great deal.
Regards
Because it's official: you actually now believe everything that your acolytes say about you.
Hee. Hee-hee, hee-hee, hee-hee...
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.I've been usurped!