Domestic Terror and a truly tasteless, but relevant poll
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The military recruiting office in Times Square is bombed. Not much damage is done, though, because the bomber was an inept lefty. But it got me thinking, with Obama's ties to Weather Underground folks and being a closeted far leftist, I have no doubt that we probably ought to be looking for someone audaciously hoping for change as the prime suspect.
And that led to my poll question:
Have at it: what do you think? Oh, and save me the outrage and anger. I don't much care. And no, I didn't put McCain on the poll because no one who would try to blow up a military recruiting office would vote for the one candidate who served his country with honor as opposed to befriending the Weather Underground.
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This is only the latest in a series of posts by you that are truly tasteless and out of bounds. Are you so bitter about the Republican nominating process that you've gone off the deep end? I know I risk banishment, but too bad.
That is not ban worthy, but I maintain it's a relevant question to ask.
that this criminal is likely not interested in our Democracy and wouldn't vote for anyone. If pressed, he would probably vote for one of the true fringe candidates out there like an anarchist or a true communist candidate.
If you are, then you don't get out much, even to the extent of visiting a lefty blog. Any of HoffPu, TPM, or DKos would contain at least a mention of how murderously evil our armed forces are.
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behind the keyboard of their computer. I've seen people here suggest we nuke a nation or level an entire city, etc. I understand that they are merely frustrated or angry over a particular situation and wouldn't really want to see thousands or millions of innocent people wiped out.
I can't stand Hillary and I won't vote for Obama, but neither is an enemy of the state. Both will do their best to protect this country and try to make things better for the citizens of this country because they love it and because they are patriots. So are the vast majority of people who support them. However, I strongly believe that despite their best intentions, they will fail because the policies they espouse have been proven to fail in the past.
I'm really sick of both sides of the partisan divide accusing the other of being "the enemy" or "evil". I happen to live in a blue state but in a relatively red county. I have friends and neighbors that are Democrats and even Liberals. Guess what? They are fine people and fine Americans. They go to work and pay their taxes and raise their children right. We just happen to disagree on the best approach for governance. I certainly wouldn't think my next door neighbor, who I love, would bomb a military recruiting office just because he has an Obama sign on his lawn.
The question is not "are all (most) Obama supporters domestic terrorists", which they obviously are not, but "given a domestic terrorist, who would he support?"
Gotta go.
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Tim McVeigh registered as a Republican.
Also at CNN but you have to click on the capsule and I do not know how to link to it.
Who would Tim McVeigh vote for?
I mean really, what is the point in linking a despicable criminal act to a person who had nothing to do with it?
Can you point to a single Republican policy that made Tim McVeigh more successful in his violent deeds? Were Republicans complaining that his civil rights were vioalted? That he wasn't receiving fair treatment?
From an operational standpoint, there is no doubt that AQ and OBL would prefer to have someone in the White House who would make it easier for terrorists to operate.
I was merely correcting a logic error, not trying to develop a whole theory of domestic terrorist profiling based on political party. Although now that you mention it, Senator Obama has not distanced himself from the unrepentant Weather Undgergound terrorists.
Principle we use as backdrop: when an act of political outrage is not punished or utterly repudiated, or fails to cause a backlash in the wider community supporting a cause, the perpetrators or another group following the same cause will escalate to a higher level of outrage.
Now, while we can't generalize from one isolated case to an entire political movement when there is not even a direct link established, common sense comes into play here. You are aware of the Birkenstockley Code Pink fiasco, in which the city of Berkeley, CA, has allowed and even facilitated the Code Pink idiots in their protest around the local recruiting office. Leftists on college campuses have demanded that military recruiters not be allowed at their schools, spraying graffiti and slashing tires.
The Times Square incident looks to be the next step in escalation of that effort.
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Thank you for finishing your argument, and I understand what your are saying, but I must quibble with you one small part.
You say
Although now that you mention it, Senator Obama has not distanced himself from the unrepentant Weather Undgergound terrorists.
He has not, but is there anything to distance himself from?
I think John Podhoretz, not a liberal hack by any means, summed it up best in his comments at Obama’s Ayers
Barack Obama is in no way responsible for anything William Ayers might have said or done, and anyone who suggests otherwise is guilty of demagougery.
But here’s a thought experiment. What if John McCain had visited the Unabomber’s cabin? Or had been photographed with Terry Nichols? Or had stopped off at David Duke’s house at some point because he was gathering support and donors?
Anyway, that is basically the point I was trying to make. I know I sound partisan, and well, I am, but hey this is an election year and I felt a need to answer what I see as a unfair attack. :-)
Respectfully,
J. L. King
had spent significant time in the Unabomber's cabin -- going to him for political advice and blessing, your point might have significance.
Had John McCain been taken to David Duke's come by a respected civil rights icon, like Alice Palmer, to receive the blessing of the racist, you might have a point.
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Perhaps I should have expanded. For those of you who are not familiar with the underlining 'controversy', Obama has been accused of having a friendship with unrepentant former Weatherman Underground member William Ayers. Ayers, now a teacher at the University of Illinois in Chicago, has said "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."
But the relationship is not at all profound and certainly does not include political advice and blessing.
From the Washington Post:
The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Ayers did not respond to e-mails and telephone calls requesting clarification of the relationship. Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:
Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.
By your own assessment you must agree this is made of whole cloth.
It just seems petty to me, but it is an election year and alls far in love and war and all that... :-)
Your obedient Devils advocate,
J. L. King
from that particular article. There is also this:
In 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama, to a few of the district’s influential liberals at the home of two well known figures on the local left: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.
While Ayers and Dohrn may be thought of in Hyde Park as local activists, they’re better known nationally as two of the most notorious — and unrepentant — figures from the violent fringe of the 1960s anti-war movement.
If you want to be accepted in leftist circles in Chicago, you have to go through Ayres and Dohrn. He received their blessing. It was NOT an incidental or chance meeting -- it was a vetting.
Dr. Young and another guest, Maria Warren, described it similarly: as an introduction to Hyde Park liberals of the handpicked successor to Palmer, a well-regarded figure on the left.
“When I first met Barack Obama, he was giving a standard, innocuous little talk in the living room of those two legends-in-their-own-minds, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn,” Warren wrote on her blog in 2005. "They were launching him — introducing him to the Hyde Park community as the best thing since sliced bread."
Spin it any way you want, but Obama received the blessing of the two former terrorists -- or he would not have been allowed to win his seat.
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Good thing I am not in college anymore.
underlining = underlying
far = fair
Devils = Devil's
What did I miss?
worries.
let the deprogramming begin
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denounces utterly all things weatherman and Farrakhan, and with a little I love America and of course these idiots are vile, righteous indignation, please.
not holding breath
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John Wayne Gacy was registered as a Democrat.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
Sorry to trump you, streiff.
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This is the biggest point from the right - angry and bitter, or not. When the lefties try really hard to defend our country they muck it up, really badly. From most recent history: Bill, "We could have taken custody of him but this was a legal issue..." in reference to future 9/11 leader - Bin Laden. Answer to two embassy bombings in Kenya = nothing. USS Cole = nothing. WTC bombing # 1, a trial. My favorite lefty defender of freedom, James Earl Carter. Iran hostage crisis. This is the penultimate point in history that emboldened these once two-bit extremists into the formidable enemy they are today. LBJ - Vietnam Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. JFK, Bay of Pigs, advisors in Vietnam.
The point is clear. They all had good intentions. The problem is the basis for their understanding when using America's might. They come to a knife fight with a gun and feel bad. So they go back and get a knife to make it "Fair". They care about the feelings of others (defined as other nations who either do not like us or envy us and don't like us) so they make no move without homage to them (over reliance on the UN which has never prevented a single war or genocide which was kind'a the idea behind it in the first place). They nice folks but they are impudent as defenders. They always have been and always will be.
...Lean not on your own understanding...
That people who think the Catholic church was part of a secret conspiracy to exterminate the jews are more likely to vote for McCain, Obama, or Hilary?
I mean, just while we're at it.
That's not at all relevant to the discussion.
since you cannot identify policy differences between Republicans and Democrats that would make the alleged conspiracy either harder or easier
But given Obama's messianic nature he edges her out.
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Yes, really. Literally.
http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/2008/03/who_ya_gonna_ca.html
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I've posted on this website since the .org days. I've watch users come and go over the years. I've seen some great writing on this site, and quite a few great rallying cries. It's becoming a sad state of affairs when I feel the necessity to create a dummy account specifically to prevent a blamming for criticizing an editor.
Let me start of by being straight to the point: Erick, you need to resign as editor of Redstate if this site is going to continue any useful purpose. I've watched the maturity, tolerance, and presence of this site deteriorate to a shadow of its former self since you've taken the helm. We've gone from outstanding coverage of current events and affairs in the Republican and Conservative part to this.
I knew this site was in trouble when the whole Barrack Hussein Obama winkwinknudgenudge smears started becoming acceptable. I work with a large number of minorities and try to push them towards the Republican party whenever possible. I pointed one of my co-workers to this site a while back, and within 30 seconds I heard, "Are they making fun of him because his middle name is Hussein? Heh, I'm sure they'll love me since my name is Omar".
Try and come up with a legitimate response to that. No, really, we're not a party of closeted racists, I swear.
Erick, please do this site a favor and step down. You've shown a complete lack of maturity and responsibility for running this site. I'd really hate to see Redstate go the way of the buffalo.
That is all. I will now resume my regular posting account.
Oh get off your high horse. You've had two other accounts that were both banned because you were trolling/mobying the site.
This is just par for the course to take the tone of outraged maturity.
It's a valid question that you are just uncomfortable asking.
Oh, and you're banned again. Not for putting this post up, which would be a perfectly legit post by any user, but because you've been banned twice before, come in this post to pose as a regular reader who is not banned, and in doing so created multiple accounts.
By the way, were you anything other than a fly by night troll you'd know I don't ban people for disagreeing with me. See e.g. Shooflyguy up above.
to resign from the New School. He couldn't stop using that middle name,psssst! he's a Democrat.
"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville
I remember the expressed bitterness that the grenade attack near an airport on which Dick Cheney had just landed had not killed the b-----d, so stated.
Then there's the man himself, Kos, expostulating on the cosmic justice of the three mutilated and burned contractors whose corpses were hung from a bridge, though I'm sure he sent flowers to the memorial services.
The thought is how far from the deed? Unless one is a mind reader, please, no speculation on minor third parties. A radical might just as well vote for the person with the best chance of winning and who at least in part represents some of his views.
As defeat is yearned for, any one of a number of nuts may be so attracted. Who can say they're not capable of an occasional compromise?
But if one insists on venting outrage perhaps a few comments on Bush enjoying, yes enjoying, the war and the killing. That might have been Pete Stark[D, Calif} but there's plenty of others to chose from.
And Erick isn't even a Member of Congress.
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What have y'all turned me into? I'm supposed to be one of the fuzzy puppies of the VRWC, as Moe would say.
Oh, and I vote for Sen. Obama.
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*Please note that I don't think that any of the candidates would endorse this action; however, it does not surprise me given the political tenor of this country that some of the Democratic candidates' supporters would stoop to this level. Considering this is on the heels of Berkeley's resolution against the Marines, or on a tangential note, a Vermont town's resolution to arrest the Pres. Bush and VP Cheney...
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Barack Obama. A Change for the Worse.
You know the exact voting record and ideology of the person that planted the bomb in Times Square? That's some good detective work.
Could be a insane 9/11 truther nutjob who has a cache of arms out in Michigan, too.
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While the two Democratic candidates are almost peas in a pod on domestic issues, they are distinguishable when it comes to foreign policy, at least in terms of track record if not in terms of current rhetoric. Most of us here obviously recognize that. I don't read anything more into the poll or its results than that.
Barack Obama gets the latte liberal, anti-war, hippie, do-gooder* crowd.
*except when people are do-badders. Then the do-gooders feel justified in blowing up the do-badders' recruiting stations. It's like the whole no tolerance for intolerance crap.
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Undoubtedly.
Relevant?
Maybe in another universe.
Adolescent?
Predictably so.
Seriously. How little must you value your time to come here to bash us?
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I hope you have been in contact with NYPD and the FBI in regards to the identity of this bomber, whom you apparently know so well.
While I am no fan of Obama or H. Clinton--I'm an indie who plans to cast a McCain vote in the fall, in large part because I think he is wiser about national security and will work harder to produce the best result possible at this point in Iraq——this post hardly rises above the level of cheap propaganda, emphasis on "cheap."
You used to write insightful, interesting posts, but now your posts seem juvenile, not much better than poking someone in the side with a stick and then snickering as you do so. What insight or argument or value does this post offer besides drawing attention to yourself?
This type of silly post seems more at home on a site such as Kos.
My own take is that if there weren't a nugget of truth in it, it wouldn't bother people much. I'd also note that the bomb type is similar to bombs used in the bombings of foreign and government buildings over the past twenty years.
So you have someone who feels that its OK to bomb these institutions and and is willing to do so over an extended period of time. Objectively he is either an obamite or a bolshevik. (if there is a measurable difference)
Seriously if you don't see the parallels to communist/anarchist writings of the late nineteenth and early twentieth century you aren't looking. The formula is simple tear down society destroy its institutions and structures, keep your own people organized so whatever you offer seems good by comparison. Today its "Hope And Change" back then it was "workers of the world unite"
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Maybe a more important question might be:
How does a military recruiting office in Times Square, the busiest intersection in the world with countless security cameras, in New York City, argueably the biggest terrorist target out there in which we've spend millions on beefed up security, how does it get bombed and why haven't they caught the people yet??!?
kind since 911. see inherent executive power and the willingness to exercise it
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I don't see how you inferred the military should do police work from my comment.
That there were military men in the storefront isn't really relevant to stopping an attack and getting the attacker, unless you think they should be able to do military things here at home.
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Sorry you misunderstood, mentioning it was a military recruiting office was simply stating the location and that it would probably be a high value target that the police and security cameras should be watching out for. A military installation of any kind would be a much more obvious target than say a Starbucks.
valuable as military recruiting stations and those more valuable, e.g. riverbanks of water supplies, then I'm sure you agree that since we can't possibly assign guards to all of same, that the dems are quite vile in their actions that seek to reduce the ability of the CINC to connect dots to people that would exploit said targets.
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Even if we could put police at every single potential target throughout the country I am not sure we would want to. That type of reaction approaches a police state and I would think we'd all agree in wanting to avoid that.
I guess there will always be some form of attacks that we will not be able to protect against regardless of the money we spend or the number of police on the street.
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I do not believe the Democrats to be vile in their actions.
I think that their is genuine concern on their part that the CINC is pushing the boundaries of the law and the powers granted to his office under the Constitution. Now taking the arguement to the extreme, would you rather a dictator that will keep you 100% safe or a democracy that will keep you considerably less safe? We are nowhere near that choice but I believe Congress is wrestling with the balance of powers versus security.
Clinton's echelon?
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but thats a long story. (It is the extension/consolidation of long term programs) That it was politicized is a disgrace.
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Echelon was just the latest and greatest phase of the NSA's remote Elint gathering program. Which went back to FDR ordering all international phone lines be tapped.
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that it was a vital component of National Security and in the interest of the United States for it to take place...until President George W Bush was selected-not-elected elected!
For using subs to tap those Russian underwater cables.
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I am not familiar with the "bushlied" question.
But with Clinton/echelon, probably because he was a Democrat. Politicians on both sides play politics, neither side is above that.
Maybe echelon was kept a little more secret, maybe it was a pre-9/11 mindset and people didn't feel as threatened by an increasingly large federal goverment focused on surveilance that we have now.
Bushlied has been the slogan of the dems since 2004, was Kerry's campaign slogan and was the msm's lead every night from 2004 until the surge started working.
Dems get concerned with large federal government, not Islamic terrorists, after 911.
Dems wish to go back to a pre-911 mindset that lead to 911 rather than the post 911 mindset that has prevent 911s and charged no one with a crime based on fed govt surveillance.
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It is true that Republicans have abandoned the smaller government platform for a much larger intrusive one. I suppose the Democrats are taking on the concern over large government as you claim.
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Or as Gamecock pointed out lets connect the dots.
We can't and don't want to try and police every possible or plausible target. We wouldn't want to live in the country that was doing that. If we aren't going to do that how do we defend ourselves ? We take our strengths and utilize them against the terrorists. We utilize our information gathering and correlation abilities to allow a much smaller force to deal with terror plots before they ripen.
The Democrats have been consistently obstructing our ability to deploy our strengths against the enemy. Right now they are sitting on the FISA bill (A bill I wish the president would just force the constitutional crisis over so it could be resolved once and for all). Whats more their actions in this case may permanently cripple our ability to conduct surveillance and internal security operations.
P.S. The CINC has the power to conduct surveilance Washington was the nation's first spymaster.
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The President's insistance on providing immunity to the telecommunications industry is what is holding the bill up. Congress offered it to him minus immunity and he refused.
The telecoms with the government's blessing knowingly violated the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. So again I'll argue that Congress is considering the balance of powers here. The average citizen, whose rights were violated, would have no recourse under FISA with immunity, they can not hold the government responsible because they will claim National Security and thus no evidence can go to court and with immunity no telecoms can be held accountable either. It would sanction goverment cooberating with industry to violate your rights.
If we are against a police state how does clearing the path for a communications police state differ?
with a crime based on info via surveillance AND tainted evidence obtained via same is introduced at the trial. We aren't even to stage one with anyone since 911.
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Gaining information about someone's commincations without a warrant is a crime under the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. Read about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Communications_Privacy_Act
Jose Padilla is a US citizen and he was found guilty and received a 17 year sentence. As they are not releasing much information about his case we do not know how evidence was obtained.
combatant brig for fear they would lose an appeal that would have required they reveal said evidence obtained via the CINK's Art II powers (they would have won the case btw) and instead charged him with lesser crimes provable with public record evidence. You are wrong. You know that i have written extensively war law issues and was the first columnist in the US after 911 to write that illegal EC's would not be treated as pow's?
try again or absorb the learning
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poisonous tree" doctrine, post Miranda, would ordinarily be billed at $250 per hour.
you can learn some law here if you want
or you can defend your own ignorance till you die in it
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Are you a lawyer?
And why the personal attack?
do not take it personally when same is pointed out.
grow some thicker skin and be a man
you have potential
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Then for $250 per hour your clients are grossly over charged ;)
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when President Clinton used Echelon to bug a World Trade Conference in Seattle in 1993 -- and then passed that trade information on to companies that had financial ties to the Democrat National Party?
Don't bother to answer, I already know the answer...
We ask our allies to do it for us.
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conference -- it might just have been a black-bag job, according to all accounts.
Take a look at what the Japanese think of Echelon.
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And I think I'm pulling the lever for Obama on this one.
They're both near-equally committed lefty idealogues, I just suspect the fans of Obama are a bit more unhinged than the fans of Hillary.
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