Hillary Leads McCain by Nine! (She won't be the nominee, though.)
Barry writes off wright, just like a politician being a politician.
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There have been some great posts here at RedState this week, but I have to interrupt with a simple, glaring fact. An AP-IPSOS poll released today has Hillary leading John McCain by nine-points amongst those surveyed.
Helped by independents, young people and seniors, Clinton gained ground this month in a hypothetical match with Sen. McCain, the GOP nominee-in-waiting. She now leads McCain, 50 percent to 41 percent, while Obama remains virtually tied with McCain, 46 percent to 44 percent.
Granted, it is an almost-meaningless post-Pennsylvania snapshot of a moment-in-time, but it gives Hillary and Mark Penn/Geoff Garin and Terence McAuliffe another excuse to keep bleeding on the Obama campaign. She is probably the Democrat with the best chance to defeat the war hero during wartime, but she is not going to be the nominee. Period. The superdelegates won't be seen to "steal the election from Obama," as that will bring us riots in Denver amongst the delegates, not just the lefty protesters outside.
Obama has his own problems.
There's a little more below the fold.
"His comments were not only divisive ... but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate," Obama told reporters.
"Whatever relationship I had with Reverend Wright has changed as a consequence of this," Obama said.
It is what he had to say, because he wishes to be President. Nothing has changed about Wright since Barry defended him.
And frankly, we're all bitter about this.
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The story itself says both "adults" and "voters." They refer to the 1,000+ adults surveyed, then, at the end:
Included were interviews with 457 Democratic voters and people leaning Democratic, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.6 points, and 346 Republicans or GOP-leaning voters, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 5.3 points.
Don't know which they want.
McCain is behind both Ds in almost every head-to-head national poll.
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There is a big difference between 1% or 2% and 9%.
...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
---Thomas Paine---
I'll take McCain leading in the state-by-state electoral vote map (as done by theoneandonlyflynn) over national polls.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Democrats ahead 260 to 240 in the electoral college. In the states they list as a "toss up", they actually show Democrats ahead in Colorado and McCain in the rest which would result in a 269 to 269 tie, meaning the Democratic House and Senate would elect a Democrat P and VP.
Charlie Hall
....or "McCain v. Hillary"/"McCain v. Obama". There is a HUGE difference.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Are you certain? I have not done the math in a few cycles, but it is my understanding that if a Presidential election goes to Congress, both the House and Senate will vote by delegations (not as individuals) with each state only worth one vote. Thus California with all its democrat representatives has as much say as Alaska and its one Republican representative.
...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
---Thomas Paine---
I'll just state that I find those maps quite suspect. Mainly because they heavily rely on Rasmussen who does the most state polling (b/c he does robo-polling). And Rasmussen has consistently this year been 3-5 points pro-R compared to all other posters.
Maybe Rasmussen is just smarter than all the other pollsters, or maybe his screen is off. However, I will say that most polls have McCain ahead in FL by a big margin and competitive in MI, OH, and PA against Obama. OTOH, they show Obama with a comfortable lead in MN, WI, WA, OR, NV, and CO.
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As far as I can tell, it is a basket of polls. I don't know the composition, but I didn't know it weights Rasmussen more heavily than others.
Adam C, I appreciate your unflinching pessimism (realism to you, of course). I am under no illusions that will be an easy election. I rate McCain's chances at 55%.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
It's been a long time since I've thought that. But it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Obama drop out of the race in June.
I think he'll be given a Corleonesque offer he can't refuse: either he drops out and supports Hillary or the superdelegates do it for him and create massive division in the party.
While I don't think Hillary would drop out for the good of the party, I do think Obama would....particularly given that he'd still have a future (her time, on the other hand, is limited).
The poll numbers aren't looking very good for him, as compared to HRC, against McCain. And this Wright fiasco just keeps getting worse.
Given the tracking numbers of McCain in various polls, the ones above are his worst against Clinton.
Still, it's got to give the Democrats pause.
The bad news for us is that if they figure out how to get Clinton and Obama on the same ticket then McCain is finished.
From the talk here, not even Republicans are thrilled with McCain (though I'm sending him money anyway) so if the Dems can unite, we'll be pretty much in trouble.
But I still think the odds are strongly against us whether they're on the same ticket or not.
The best hope we've had, since day one, is that enough Democrats would be just as or more disillusioned with their candidate as Republicans are of our candidate.
Will that happen? I don't know -- maybe. But I wouldn't get too froggy about our prospects just yet. McCain's a problematic candidate on a number of fronts. Fortunately for him, his opponent will be too.
The candidates are too polarizing to run on the same ticket. The good news is, as disgruntled as people (including myself) are with McCain, many (I'd venture to say most) will still vote for him. It's entirely possible that disgruntled hill supporters will turn to McCain, should Barry take the nomination. Or vice versa.

Fred Thompson, 2008
getting the nod. His numbers are too high and he did exactly what he had to do today to keep his support in check.
Wright is in the past, time to move on with the campaign for the dems.
Obama will be the nominee unless he quits. And Hillary will not be his VP.
God help us all if she pulls this out though, because she would bring him on board and I don't see how we stop them short of all out Armegeddon.
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worse than a Hillary/Bayh or an Obama/Bayh ticket. (I'm using Evan Bayh as a generic name because he is generic.) They appeal to different constituencies separately, but they also alienate different constituencies separately. Hillary came into this with the highest negatives of the three "remaining" candidates. Obama, I suspect, ahs moved into the number two negative position. McCain, by appearing to reject personal politics, will only become more likeable to voters.
McCain has ways to beat Hillary, Obama, and Hillary/Obama. (Obama/Hillary would be the toughest ticket to beat, I think. Barry would not be relegated to second place, and Hillary would supposedly give him the 3am gravitas, a la Cheney in '00.)
He is not going to spend four years with Bubba looking over his shoulder and besides, he would need food tasters.
It would be a formidable ticket though.
Aunt Nancy has told them both no, so maybe we shouldn't worry our little minds about it. :>)
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is something I've talked about myself. If Obama values his life, he will not put Hillary Clinton in line after him for the Presidency. And I'm not even kidding a little.

Fred Thompson, 2008
... I realized how that came off just then... so I should say that WASN'T a threat against Obama. Just an opinion on the moral ineptitude and will to power of HRC.

Fred Thompson, 2008
if he gets elected with her as VP, his life ain't worth a plugged nickle. They will find him rolled up in a carpet in the park just like Vince Foster.
"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle
they could get creative and dump him in a river instead. But that's the gist of it, yeah.

Fred Thompson, 2008
Secret Service agents. Of course, Bill and Hillary probably still have some loyalty amongst the Arkansas State Troopers.
There'd be no struggle within the Service... they didn't lke Hillary that much.

Fred Thompson, 2008
I'm thinking that the troopers are all tapped out. Kinda like Bill "Judas" Richardson.
Who knows?
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This poll certainly plays into Hillary's grand strategy right now. The fact is, only about 150 delegates separates the two candidates, and the superdelegates will decide the winner. If Hillary has the edge in the popular vote, and she is also running ahead in the polls versus McCain (vis a vi Obama), and because it is becoming well known that Obama is both inexperienced and judgmentally challenged (and prone to making mistakes), she can still persuade the supers to give her the nomination. Also, it helps that her campaign has a whole room in its headquaters devoted to picking up delegates - undoubtedly, the Clinton campaign is seeking to persuade those delegates that can be persuaded, bribe those delegates that can be bribed (with new jobs or money or Bill Clinton visits) and blackmail those delegates who can be blackmailed. I wouldn't count her out yet.
BTW, let's not carried away about this one poll when we look at the general election. Polls are not everything. Hillary is still a woman, with a nasty demeanor, a shrill voice, with major corruption problems, and a well known history of lying. These are all major negatives with some voters. Plus, if she does win the nomination, some Obama Democrats will undoubtedly abstain or vote for McCain in the general, and some swing voters will do likewise. So, while the AP poll of adults or registered voters (and it should be likely voters - there is no excuse for a respectable firm to poll these larger groups) may have her up now, but if McCain is able to run a DECENT campaign, and avoid his own MAJOR MISTAKES, he should be able to beat her, even in this environment.
is Fox News. Rather than pushing McCain, it has become all Hillary, all the time. I never thought I would see the day that Hillary would become the candidate of choice on my conservative news network. It makes me sick.
I've said this since Obama made this a race - she will win & she is going to walk through the general election right into the White House. She plays that victim card and the sexist card & the idiots fall hook, line and sinker for it. No matter how much she lies, how little she HAS done as a senator, and no matter how many illegal things she has done in the past. The sheep follow her & sorry to say, but Fox is helping to lead them to slaughter.
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I believe this poll was of 1,001 Adults, not even registered voters. They tend not to be very accurate.