Obama With Iran

"Realistic Idealism" Vs. "Aggressive Personal Diplomacy."

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I have a slightly different take on the Iranians preference for Obama than does my esteemed colleague Dan McLaughlin.

Time magazine's Scott MacLeod reports that Sergei Barseghian, a columnist for the Iranian reformist newspaper Etemad Meli (National Confidence), notes that in Farsi, the words Oo ba ma would translate as "He's with us."

Iranians are following the American presidential race. In part, because they wish to be rid of President Bush, who branded Iran part of an "Axis of Evil," and because they are taken in by Obama's false hope. According to MacLeod, Iranians favor Obama's hope rhetoric and see a President Obama repairing the U.S.-Iranian relationship:

It's not only the policy expectations that account for Obama's popularity: his Third World ethnic background and the Muslim faith of his father's Kenyan family — even his middle name, Hussein, the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad and a revered figure in the Shi'ite Islam practiced in Iran — offer points of affinity that some analysts believe could give Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the political cover to make a gesture of reconciliation to the country long decried in Tehran as "the Great Satan."

But it's Obama's declared willingness to engage in "aggressive personal diplomacy" with the Iranian leadership that has generated the most interest among senior officials in Tehran, since this would mark a sea-change in Washington's approach. "Obama is a man of engagement, a man of negotiations," one Iranian official told TIME. Amir Mohebbian, an analyst close to Iranian conservative politicians, argues that "the mentality of Iranian decision makers is ready for that." He adds: "I think that the coming of Obama — maybe, maybe — helps to solve this problem, but it needs bravery, from both sides."

MacLeod, fails to mention that the U.S./Iran "30-year Cold War" is the result of Iran's seizure of the U.S. embassy and the subsequent holding of 52 U.S. diplomats hostage for 444 days -- the remainder of Jimmy Carter's presidency. Like Carter's failure to free the hostages, Obama's proposed "aggressive personal diplomacy" will also be seen as a sign of weakness that will only encourage this state sponsor of terrorism.

Read on there is more.

Senator McCain, on the other hand, with his more "Realistic Idealism," is less likely to make nice to the Iranians merely for the sake of making nice.

The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) — the nation’s largest association of Muslim organizations — tried to persuade McCain to drop the adjective “Islamic” when describing terrorists and extremists:

We’ve tried to contact his office, contact his spokesperson to have them rethink word usage that is more acceptable to the Muslim community. If it’s not our intent to paint everyone with the same brush, then certainly we should think seriously about just characterizing them as criminals, because that is what they are.

Remembering how ineffective our former policy of treating terrorists as mere criminals was in preventing terror attacks against America Senator McCain has rejected ISNA's plea:

Steve Schmidt, a former Bush White House aide who is now a McCain media strategist, told The Times that the use of the word is appropriate and that the candidate will continue to define the enemy that way.

"Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda represent a perverted strain of Islam at odds with the great many peaceful Muslims who practice their great faith peacefully," Mr. Schmidt said. "But the reality is, the hateful ideology which underpins bin Ladenism is properly described as radical Islamic extremism. Senator McCain refers to it that way because that is what it is."

Realistic Idealism indeed.

The failed policy of merely criminalizing terrorism brought us to 9/11. Al Qaeda attacked us on 9/11 because the organization thought we didn't have the stomach to fight. Following many attacks on Americans in Lebanon in the 1970s and '80s culminating in the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983, America withdrew. Our response to attacks during Bill Clinton's presidency -- withdrawal, angry words occasionally accompanied by a few cruise missiles resulted in attack after attack. Mogadishu in 1993, the 1993 attack on World Trade Center, the attack on the U.S. military office in Riyadh in 1995, the attacks American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, and the near sinking of the USS Cole in Yemen in 2000.

I prefer the current approach to fighting the war the Islamic extremists continue to wage against us and McCain's "Realistic Idealism" to the false hope of Obama's "aggressive personal diplomacy."

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We do not disagree nt by Dan McLaughlin

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

We do not disagree by California Yankee

No, we do not disagree. I only meant to convey my thought that we approached the subject a bit differently. Sorry I was not articulate enough to make that clear.

Everything about this man is suspect. His name, his associations, his policy positions, his ideology. Better the enemy that I know (Hillary), than the enemy I do not. This man, Barack Hussein Obama is dangerous.

I personally would be ecstatic the day the GOP can seat someone with the name Muhammad in either the House or the Senate.

Romney/Pace 2008

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

I'd be about as ecstatic if we could just get a black man elected Governor or into a House seat; Jindal's victory in Louisiana is probably one of the best things to happen to the GOP in a very long time - if we are able to parlay it properly. Fundamentally, it (the election of black/Muslim/Asian/etc. Republican) wouldn't mean anything is different about America or the GOP.

In the realm of politics however, it would be a major blow to the popular perception of the GOP as being a Party with a closed door policy towards minorities - whether it be racial, religious or ethnic. It's not an accurate perception but it exists and we continue to do ourselves a disservice by ignoring it.

The vast plurality of the electorate (i.e. the "middle") votes based on perceptions - primarily centered around the candidate but in huge part influenced by the popular view of each candidate's party. It's the reason why Democrats are more vulnerable to charges of insufficient patriotism than Republicans and why Republicans are very much more vulnerable to shrieks of "racism!" ...

If George Allen had been a Democrat, "macaca" would have been like water off a duck's back. But because he's a Republican its potential to torpedo his campaign was exponentially higher ... and it did.

Much as I fear a slippery slope into full fledged racial preference policies, I think Republicans ought to begin a massive effort into headhunting as many members of minority communities into a farm team of future challengers and successors, and, yes, that includes Muslims.

And not necessarily because I am a Muslim myself.

Romney/Pace 2008

we stand for nothing....Republicanism is based on attraction to something not to the nothing that represents Democrats....how many people have you seen who say "I didn't leave the Democrat Party they left me"....the day Republican's start down the "slippery slope" of identity politics is the day I say "I didn't leave the Republican Party it left me".

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

Precisely because Martin is not advocating for affirmative action. Affirmative action is about equality of outcomes. What Martin, and I for that matter, want is a broad recruitment effort in the minority communities to show that conservatism is color blind. That way we have a greater pool to select from.



Now also found at The Minority Report

communities will make a difference the Democrats have co-opted that memo that they are the party of diversity and the MSM helps them keep it alive.....Do you remember President Bush asking blacks for their vote? He didn't get it and he never would....Democrats never ask for the minority vote it is a given....Republicans are not going to break the back of that which is no longer theirs....I understand the desire to attempt it but it will not make any difference....I personally am hoping for Hillary to go all the way to the convention and "steal" the nomination just for us to jump in and take the minority vote....I don't think that will happen but I like yourself and Martin "HOPE" for it.

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

the ones who were largely responsible for the attack on US Embassy, so how can one realistically hope they can be negotiated with? I think we're asking for trouble if we concede anything to them.

As long Iran still pursues its nuclear ambitions aggressively, then negotiations should be off table, period. In fact, I think we're already heading for some sort of confrontation with Iran, if not with Bush, then next President. I just hope we have the right man in place before all breaks loose over there.

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Daniel 2:20 And he [God] changeth the times and seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding.

welll by liberalrepublican

"the ones who were largely responsible for the attack on US Embassy, so how can one realistically hope they can be negotiated with?"

Ask Ollie North

buy a clue by streiff

Based on the results, I'm pretty sure that he'd say that no, they can't be realistically negotiated with.

"A man does what he can and endures what he must."

First reaction: WHAT relationship?
Second reaction: THEY broke it, THEY can repair it.

this is a bit simplistic in all honesty. the relationship between the united states and iran is a bit more complicated than just the take over of the embassy (even that was a fairly complex ordeal).

i'm not trying to be an apologist for the islamic republic, far from it. but to engage the current regime requires a more nuanced understanding of the history of interaction.

briefly: we can look back to the constitutional revolution in the early 20th century as a signal of progressive (albeit ill informed) strains of political thought in the country. or perhaps the 1953 CIA sponsored coup of prime minister mossadegh which is a very, very sour point even amongst those within iranian who have sympathies for the west. or perhaps consider the substantial aid to the shah's infrastructure of thuggery, primarily the SAVAK, from the US.

now of course, the current regime has done quite a bit to exacerbate the situation. this is hardly arguable. but it takes two to tango. i guess that is my point.

well of course by Dienekes

of course its simplistic. it wasnt meant to be taken quite so literally. the point is that Obama's view is even more simplistic and much more dangerously naive.

"MacLeod, fails to mention that the U.S./Iran "30-year Cold War" is the result of Iran's seizure of the U.S. embassy and the subsequent holding of 52 U.S. diplomats hostage for 444 days -- the remainder of Jimmy Carter's presidency. Like Carter's failure to free the hostages, Obama's proposed "aggressive personal diplomacy" will also be seen as a sign of weakness that will only encourage this state sponsor of terrorism."

This is pretty intellectual dishonest. Operation Ajax was the clear beginning of the mess.

this man is dangerous and would betray the United States, and not even know it.

Great post Dan...

We did not have a revolution in order to have democracy - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

in farsi Oo ba ma (at least pronounced as Obama is pronounced) means nothing. Uw ba ma means "[ungendered pronoun] with us". i know it's a small detail, but i figure accuracy beats inaccuracy.

more Farsi by streiff

I'm told that "jaan meekh khain" means "incoming nuclear weapons" in Farsi

"A man does what he can and endures what he must."


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