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and the 'chocolate city'.

Muppets away!!!!

A funny SNL again? If only.

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the Black Hills, after all.

Latin slogans originating in fast food chains specializing in pullus would be....?

"Amor ut Pullus"

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Wasn't the "Popeye" I was thinking of. I'd forgotten their slogan, so I had to use some imagination to translate. Would be a good fit under the squinting sailor, though. Maybe Latin for "spinach" instead of "chicken" though?

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The Token(s):

"In the jungle, the quiet jungle,
the possum sleeps tonight..."

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It still wouldn't make him seem like a patriot.

P.S. I don't think Stark would pass even Obama's selection committee. Substance abuse problems, and the whole killing Captain America thing. (Of course that would boost his popularity with the nutroots)

The Red Skull did, through a mind-controlled assassin

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

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Some of his pictures do bear a striking resemblance to Alfred E.

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with big government run amok?

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it is not pleasant, but it is a way...

"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville

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I would have gone for something a little more roundabout.

I would have done something like this:

"You know how Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, was caught because the stewardess got freaked out and the other guys on the airplane all jumped on him? I think that Obama is just like Richard Reid, but instead of a plane, we're flying the planet and we're the stewardess yelling 'HE'S TRYING TO KILL US ALL! HE'S TRYING TO KILL US ALL!' but the other passengers on the plane are too busy singing 'Yes! We can!' and giving him matches to light his shoes and they aren't trying to jump on him and take him to the proper authorities, THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL US JUST AS MUCH AS HE IS!!!!"

That would have tied in the Muslim thing, the terrorism thing, and it would open up further discussion into whether anyone who disagrees doesn't take the War on Terror seriously enough. "Oh, you disagree that Obama wants to kill every man, woman, and child on the planet and sautee' their internal organs into a butter and wine sauce? Would you have said 'Maybe these guys don't want to kill us' when Todd Beamer said 'Let's Roll'?"

See? There's *SO* much more you can do with *THAT* than with the Hitler thing.

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Or, as Rosanne Rosanadana would say, "There's always something."

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Pol Pot
Stalin
Quisling
etc

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The fundamental question I have for them what argue that Obama is a Hitler Stalin Pol Pot Chavez:

Is Obama bad to the point where you believe that it is time for us to pick up our guns and bring Revolution (note the capital 'R') to our country one more time?

If the answer is "No" (and, of course, it's "No") then I might ask you to start comparing him to, I don't know... Roosevelt or somebody. "The worst Democrat to run for president since James Buchanan!"

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Obama is like LBJ!!!

But the Hitler/Stalin thing is a little played out... hey, I know.

Remember when Satan challenged God and there was a War in Heaven and eventually God won and cast Satan down to earth? Obama is like that.

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http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13344

Somewhere, Lyndon B. Johnson is insulted.

Claiming victory in the race for the Democrats' nomination, Senator Barack Obama said this:

"Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal..."

Excuse me? You mean all those LBJ Great Society programs didn't provide care for the sick, secure good jobs for the jobless and take care of the environment? On the off-chance the Internet has a space limitation, let's settle for a partial listing of LBJ's efforts for the sick, the jobless, the environment and more as reflected in the list of legislation he proudly compiled and boasted of in his presidential memoir The Vantage Point. The list begins at the end of 1963, when he took office following JFK's assassination, and continues through his last full year, 1968. The titles are as LBJ himself listed them:

College Facilities
Clean Air
Vocational Training
Indian Vocational Training
Manpower Training
Federal Airport Aid
Farm Program
Pesticide Controls
International Development Association
Urban Mass Transit
Water Resources Research
Federal Highway
Civil Service Pay Raise
War on Poverty
Truth-in-Securities
Medicine Bow National Forest
Ozark Scenic Riverway
Administrative Conference
Food Stamps
Housing Act
Nurse Training
Revenues for Recreation
Library Services
Federal Employee Health Benefits
Wilderness Areas

Still with me? Good, because that's only a partial list of what LBJ was so proud of but which Obama apparently feels just wasn't enough. Perhaps Obama has a point. After all, the above is only a partial listing reflecting LBJ's work for just one month of 1963 and only a portion of 1964. Let's move on to 1965, again with space prohibiting a full listing of what Senator Obama seems to feel were LBJ's inadequacies in just not getting the job done:

Medicare
Aid to Education
Higher Education
Four Year Farm Program
Department of Housing and Urban Development
Housing Act
Social Security Increase
Fair Immigration Law
Older Americans
Heart, Cancer, Stroke Program
Drug Controls
Mental Health Facilities
Health Professions
Medical Libraries
Vocational Rehabilitation
Anti-Poverty Program
Arts and Humanities Foundation
Aid to Appalachia
Water Pollution Control
High Speed Transit
Community Health services
Water Resources Council
Water Desalting
Juvenile Delinquency Control
Retirement for Public Servants'

I can hear the chorus growing now. Stop! Stop with the list already! OK. But I warn you, we're not even done with 1965 yet. With 1966, 1967 and 1968 still to go I hate to leave out things like Child Nutrition, Rent Supplements, Clean Rivers, Child Safety, Narcotics Rehabilitation, Water Research, Water for Peace, Air Pollution Control, Education Act, Deaf-Blind Center, Safe Streets, Wholesome Poultry, School Breakfasts, Aircraft Noise Abatement, Better Housing, Oil Revenues for Recreation, Juvenile Delinquency Protection, Guaranteed Student Loans, Gun Controls, Aid-to-Handicapped Children, Hazardous Radiation Protection, and Dangerous Drugs Control.

Is it any wonder that the ghost of LBJ is fuming? All of this and more, oh so much more, and suddenly here comes this Obama guy insisting that only by electing him can America "begin" to " provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless" and cite the Obama-era as the time "our planet began to heal..."

Begin? What was all of this LBJ stuff costing Americans into the trillions? Democrats as skin-flint right-wingers?

Seriously. What has Barack Obama been doing since he was elected a United States Senator four years ago? Has he ever set foot in any of the mammoth concrete boxes crowding the streets of Washington, DC? Has he been inside them to see the hordes of very well-paid bureaucrats who are busy looking over the shoulders of 300-plus million American citizens to make sure they are obeying every last one of the millions of regulatory jots and tittles that enforce LBJ's list?

A PROBLEM HERE is that some Republicans and conservatives have lost the understanding of what it means to be conservative. Politely put, they have lost their way. They fail to ask of Obama why he feels the federal government has been so lacking if the above list -- a partial list, I would remind you -- was such a stunning success. Why, for example, did Community Organizer Obama have to, by his own admission in his recent victory speech, walk "arm-in-arm with community leaders on the South Side of Chicago and (watch) tensions fade as black, white, and Latino fought together for good jobs and good schools"?

Fight for good jobs and good schools? You mean to say that after all those LBJ achievements such as (partial list again) "Vocational Education," "Nurse Training" "Vocational Rehabilitation," "Manpower Training" "Summer Youth Programs," "Aid to Education," "Higher Education," "Education Act," "College Aid Study," and "School Breakfasts," the South Side of Chicago has nothing to show for it?

Well. Interesting, yes?

Why is this so? The reason that Democrats complain of poverty, bad schools and lousy jobs is that -- in places where liberalism rules -- this is exactly what one does find. Take a trip to Detroit and check in on the public school system. Hop on down to New Orleans and see what was going on there before -- not after -- Katrina hit. The failure of LBJ-style liberalism is writ large, for all the world to see. And the answer of Senator Obama is -- more! More! More! MORE!

The disturbing thing in all this is that there are in fact Republicans out there -- no names please -- who look at a list of LBJ's legislation and immediately assume the posture of what Goldwater called the dime store Republican. You know the approach. "I agree with my distinguished opponent in principle, but I would reduce the funding for this program by..."

WHICH BRINGS US HOME to the central fact for conservatives in this election season. The Obama policies -- which are in fact the LBJ policies as presented by a better orator -- will in fact fail. The principle behind them -- government control -- simply does not work. If it did Medicare and Medicaid would not be headed toward financial ruin, Social Security would be in the black as far as the eye can see, and the citizens of New Orleans, like the school children of Detroit -- beneficiaries one and all of LBJ's largesse -- would be in an infinitely better place than they are today.

Forty-four years ago this year the seeds of the conservative success that would flower with the leadership of Ronald Reagan were firmly rooted in the landslide that elected Lyndon Johnson. It is not without irony that the power to transform the liberal agenda into the list LBJ cited so proudly in his memoirs eventually backfired and backfired badly, fueling the Reagan Revolution. Lyndon Johnson took FDR's New Deal and ran the string out to its logical conclusion in the American system -- and Americans, appalled at the cost, the bureaucracy, the extravagance and the incompetence, finally rebelled. The bill for LBJ's list had come due.

Barack Obama has without doubt now lashed himself irrevocably to the 21st century version of LBJ's domestic agenda. What should disturb liberals is that even if Obama manages to make it past John McCain in the general election, he is headed for a presidency, like LBJ's, that will leave a legacy of failure. LBJ's failures, reinforced by the mercifully brief disaster of Jimmy Carter, helped ensure the defeat of seven post-LBJ Democratic presidential nominees who voluntarily assumed his mantle. Even the supposedly unbeatable Bill Clinton could not muster fifty percent of the vote in either of his elections, something Ronald Reagan had no problem with in the three-way 1980 election. To underline the point, after watching Clinton spend his first two years trying to jam an LBJ-style health care plan through the Congress, Americans gave control of both House and Senate to the GOP for the first time in over four decades.

Just as oysters need irritation for pearls, the next golden age of conservatism hovers at the edge of an Obama presidency.

YET WHETHER OBAMA or McCain wins the White House, the challenge for conservatives in 2008 is to illustrate conservative principles with a sharp and vivid clarity. To understand them, to teach them -- and yes to fight for them. Relentlessly, no matter who is president or who controls the Congress. To fight in Washington, sure. On the campaign trail, yes. But most particularly in the media, making the case no matter what Republican candidates or office holders do or do not do.

If the Republican Party of 1964 learned anything -- and they didn't learn it all at once way back then either -- it is that elections are about principles, not candidates. The paradigm-shifting 1964 election was not about Goldwater any more than the 1980 election was about Reagan or the 2008 election is about McCain. In the post-1964 world, conservative principles faithfully understood and represented will win. When you run from them, in an elusive search for the fool's gold of a phantom popularity with liberals, you will lose. You will lose an election or you will lose your office or you will lose your legacy.

More to the point? If you call yourself a conservative yet think it's your job to add to LBJ's list, you will deserve to lose.

Jeffrey Lord is the creator, co-founder, and CEO of QubeTV, an online conservative video site. A Reagan White House political director and author, he writes from Pennsylvania.

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Comparisons of Obama to Hitler are silly. Exceptionally silly. I mean, if I were trying to make Republicans look bad ("Mobying"), I would put together a list of things that Hitler and Obama had in common and earnestly post them on Republican web sites. I would make as many comparisons as I possibly could and try to get people to agree with me.

If I was really feeling my oats, I would do the same for many of the Monsters of the 20th Century. Stalin! Mao! Pol Pot! I would scream to the high heavens about my comparisons between Obama and any Monster you'd care to name. There would be no such thing as a mistake or a miscalculation or a naive error on his part. No. It would all be part of some master plan, like Hitler had, to take power. It would all be the first shuffling step on the way to some Great Leap Forward. There would be nothing, nothing at all, the Obama would not be capable of doing. No person he'd be unwilling to assassinate, no body he'd be unwilling to hide, nothing.

And then, later on, as I was talking to my friends who were disappointed that Hillary didn't get nominated and they said something like "I hate how, yet again, the most qualified man was a woman... and she got passed over by a younger, better-looking, unqualified *MAN*", I'd say "well, it's still important for you to vote for Obama... look, this is what the Republicans are saying about him!"

And then I'd point to the essays comparing Obama to Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot. "These guys are voting for McCain. Do you really want them to win?"

That's what I'd do, if I were going out of my way to make Republicans look stupid.

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The comment that kicked this off had to do with how Obama is like Hitler and it evolved from there.

For me, the subthread had more to do with "what is really being communicated with these comparisons?"

Now, if we want to get into which Presidential Candidates/Presidents is Obama most like, seriously, without the Hitler junk, yeah. That's probably a good thread to have.

But I thought we were having a "Stop Comparing Him To Folks That Should Have Been Killed Before They Got Into Office" moment up to this point.

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shorthand comparisons and lables do help, and so what about Jimmy Carter, Chavez, Marx?

I think the best approach is to show that he (and mosy dems for that matter) want to re-try proven failed policies and show how conservative policies have worked. See Carter-dem majorities in late 70s vs Reagan/Clinton-Newt/Dubya policies. See also peace thu strength vs carter.

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How about "Obama is like LBJ on steroids!"?

But "The Second Carter Term" has the advantage of conveying the ideas of both Liberal empty-headedness and incompetence in office.

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Campaign Pun Reform.

Rim shot!

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understand. :-)

On domestic policy, you bet. In foreign policy, incompetence leads to 444 days of "America Held Hostage."

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affected a full scale surrender of the US to the USSR and Khomeini. A competent carter would have Israel off the map and the US military the size of Lichtenstein's.

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OK, OK. But wouldn't Jimmah have looked nice as Prefect of America in one of those "Chocolate Soldier" uniforms?

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camera.

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Can you say "over the top?"

Perhaps the moderators missed this one...

wasn't the blue eagle or the FISA flipflop.

It was the disgusting reaction of Chris Matthews when he made that comment about the tingle up his leg. Call me a sicko, but my gut reaction was it was like something one of Stalin's henchman would say when thinking about the bolshevik takeover.

If it's sick of me to think it, so be it. It made me feel nauseous.

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poison control, you can just turn on Hardball.

The free exchange of ideas inevitably yields both heat and light.

Matthews simply caught himself as he started to say "a tinkle down my leg."

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"pompus" indeed.

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That's the same way the eagle faces on the real thing, though.

And on a US Army colonel, apparently. The eagle is looking the opposite direction, but the arrows and olive branches have been swapped, too.

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The direction the eagle is facing depends on whether we are in a time of war. Take a look at the seal the next time you see the president speaking. Since we in a time of war, the eagle will be facing the arrows. The photo you reference was taken of the seal during peacetime.
Same with the colonel's rank.

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

Always had to come up with ways to avoid addressing Navy people by rank. Usually I managed to let someone else go first. If that didn't work mumbling usually sufficed.

You lot are as bad heraldry used to be.

As are their step-children, the Marines. They have Really weird ranks that even a lot of sailors can't figure out. So don't feel bad about it.

As for Heraldry. Um, no. Not even the Navy come anywhere close. That stuff is weird. Every person has his own device, which is usually a minor modification of the household device. And you have to describe it in a particular manner or you could be talking about someone else's device...
No. We're nowhere near that bad. I think that's where we get modern bureaucrats from... Heralds, I mean...

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

You didn't specify (which is okay, actually, as I make the same sort of error pretty regularly) and you'd still be wrong about the seal.

There's some information on the colonel's eagles at Wikipedia that indicates that current official insignia all face away from the arrows and have since the 1950's. Apparently some are wearing some unofficial "war eagles", these days.

I confess that I'm not military myself, so this is getting a bit over my head. Whether the war eagle is 'traditional' within the US military, I have no idea. It doesn't appear to be official.

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It's just kind of a bad habit to neglect tact and other conversational niceties in favor of getting to the point.

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This too shall pass.

And it's nice to come across someone who also doesn't try to waste time on the bull schnauzer of niceties and politeness.

I may indeed be mistaken about the Seal. I sincerely doubt I am, but I'll be watching the next time I catch the president speak.

As for the "War Eagles", last time I was at Clothing Sales, there were no other eagles available.

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that is an interesting bit of information.

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