Rudy Made New York Governable and Safe
By Joe Lhota Posted in 2008 | Rudy — Comments (52) / Email this page » / Leave a comment »
We're pleased to welcome former Deputy Mayor for Operations of the City of New York Joe Lhota to the front page. Erick.
In the early nineties, New York City was said to be ungovernable, out of control, beyond reversal. Tourists no longer felt safe visiting the Big Apple and leaders refused to take action against crime. In 1993, there were almost 2,000 murders, and each week more than 11,000 major crimes were committed.
When Rudy Giuliani became Mayor of New York City in 1994, he helped refocus the NYPD’s efforts by launching a revolutionary program named CompStat that helped make New York City the safest large city in the United States. Mayor Giuliani proposed attacking crime by making the NYPD accountable for crime levels in every precinct using performance-based measures.
CompStat employed four main crime-fighting principles: timely and accurate gathering of information; effective solutions; efficient deployment of personnel; and constant reassessment. CompStat was not just an analytical tool – it was a revolutionary new way to think about crime.
Read on . . .
CompStat provided near-instantaneous data in an easy to understand format. Instead of waiting days, weeks or even months for the latest crime statistics, the NYPD had an almost immediate assessment of their efforts By spotting trends in the data, the NYPD was able to proactively root out criminal sanctuaries.
Between 1993, when Giuliani took office, to 2001 when he left, murders dropped by an astonishing 66%. Rape went down by 45%, robbery by decreased 67%, and aggravated assault, larceny, and motor vehicle theft each decreased by at least 39%. In recognition of its success, the CompStat program won the “Innovation in Government Award” from Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government and the Ford Foundation in 1996.
If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, the CompStat program has been well praised. Philadelphia, Baltimore, Los Angeles, London and numerous other cities have adopted programs similar to CompStat to help them protect their citizens.
Long before 9/11, Rudy Giuliani was demonstrating leadership through results-driven government and by holding government accountable. Giuliani will use the same principles that led to the creation of CompStat and other similar programs that helped transform New York City to reform the federal government. Our national government needs a CompStat-like program to help improve the Federal government’s performance and protect the taxpayers’ wallets as well. Rudy never listened to the skeptics who said New York City was ungovernable, and he won’t listen to the naysayers who say the same about the Federal government.
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every step of the way, including the huge Democratic majority on the City Council and the even huger one on the NY Times staff.
Yes, Rudy did a great job.
However, the federal government does not need a CompStat.
Or, better clarified. CompStat is being adopted because it was proven. The federal government should not be pushing that system down from above. I need more clarification from Rudy on these types of issues.
I am not interested in the Feds mandating anything. Nor really even purse string incentives. So how will Rudy govern while limiting those types of programs or the damage they cause, even if they are occassionally required? Or does he in fact intend on rolling them downhill in great quantity?
I'd like the Guliani campaign to address that.
Thank you for the time.
He also fought the liberal school system and making improvements, cutting costs etc. Unlike Bush's big government NCLB program, Rudy cut the size of the school administration.
He also sought market solutions vice big government solutions in other areas of government. His advantage is that Rudy has actually carried out conservative market based solutions in a very hostile environment. Actions speak.
His position on abortion and some other social issues is a problem for me. But he's certainly not a big government - big spender like most of the current GOP crop. I could end up voting for him.
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Sharpton like mayor of Black People. Rudy also gave the Press their hats for stupid questions. Rudy has a lot of positives that are even more relevant than his 911 work.
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"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
Overall crime decreased during the Dinkins years from '91 to '93. This undermines the assumption that it was solely due to Giuliani's actions that crime went down in the city. Plus crime went down nationwide during the 90's, making Giuliani's term not special and more likely part of an overall trend.
I have seen the same stats, and I don't think they are junk. New York was turning around.
Still, one can surf a wave and augment it with a little motor on the back of the board. He still gets some credit. Quite a bit, in my view.
Nice man, but the city was visibly falling apart around him. I am from and visit NY frequently, and I know.
I don't know the stats to which you are referring, but the big drop in crime occurred under Rudy's watch, and the drop greatly exceeded the drop in the nationwide stats.
...and in the case of Newark, even fater.
The decreasing trend nationwide is understandably lower than the trend of big urban cities, since nationwide stats are a combination of peaceful rural aereas with crime-prone big cities.
But look at the stats (From FBI data) of NYC vs. Newark vs. Houston and how crime went down durin the 90's. You will see that not only did crime start dropping before Giuliani took over, but that his actions were not exceptional or better than those of other mayors:
I should have typed "as fast as", not "as fast than".
the national average at the end of Rudy's tenure. My point exactly.
LA crime is actually moving up.
Newark has been a crime haven with a much weaker economic base than NYC. I suspect it's on the chart to be an outlyer and distract attention.
We are looking at the whole picture. You didn't see me pointing out that at one point in the graph crime in Newark declined more dramatically than in NYC, because I do not cherry-pick bits of a graph.
Why did you choose the end and not the beginning or the middle of the graph?
"Rudy's term in office" shows NYC with substantially above-the-national-average crime when he takes office, a sharp drop after he assumes office (sharper than the drops before), with continuing declines thereafter and a rate below the national average when he leaves.
Inconvenient truths, perhaps?
The reason why NYC is the only one with a crime rate lower than national at the end, is because it STARTED OFF LOWER than Newark and LA at the beginning of the graph. How can you use that as an argument?
LA and NY start out about the same, NY's crime actually being slightly higher the first year, LA's the second year. After that, the paths diverge sharply, especially during Rudy's tenure.
This is not to denigrate LA's efforts during the Republican Riordan years.
At least NY and LA are comparable cities - global cities with a large economic base. Newark is hardly comparable - an outlyer whose main role in the graph appears to be a visual distraction. (very common technique in stats, by the way)
...and I will go and change that chart and make it look better so it fits the argument. [humor]
I never use wiki except as a quick reference, and never as authoritative.
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Maybe he can set up "CompStat" as VP on a Conservative ticket.
Sorry, but once you get past his name recognition, things really start drying up. Not to mention his liberal tendancies! I mean, you cant just run around the Country appearing with REAL Conservatives like Rick Santorum etc... and expect us to believe that you are Conservative.
I dont think that it is an accident nor do I think that it is solely the immigration debate that has the RNC monies drying up...I think its because of the current "front runners" that WE dont want to end up supporting in a general election campaign. Ya know, the Republicans are not immune from nominating the WRONG candidate, especially when they are only looking at $$.
What a shame that guys like Gilmore (the REAL conservative on the ticket) cant get traction. I cant wait for Thompson to join the debates with the rest of these wannabe clowns like Rudy, Mitt and McLiberal (they only want the title President) all 3 "front runners" no more than opportunists!
I dont think ANY of them will get the nod. (I pray that they dont)
Police Commissioner for Washington DC. Maybe you should help him pursue that now that Fred Thompson is going to be President.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Rudy had done a good job cleaning things up in NY that is what we need now. He is also kid friendly and saftey minded.
Our governor running for president from New Mexico could not care in the least for kids or rural residents.
I live in New Mexico. Bill Richardson is all talk no action. Richardson does NOT support rural people, children, farmers, ranchers, hunters, or people that want to enjoy the national forest as a safe vacation.
We have children getting stalked by wolves here in New Mexico. He supports this program even after a child was nearly attacked in her front yard. No corrective action was taken. He did nothing when elementary school stalking wolves were removed from Arizona and placed in New Mexico. This pack of wolves has caused additional problems in New Mexico.
If you support children and your rights to enjoy nature and the national forest or even to live in rural area then Bill Richardson is NOT for you.
They will be releasing more wolves in the next year…dispersing to TX and California along with CO (which has already happened), UT, and NV is going to happen. Do you really want this man for president or vice president (he might pull some republican votes)?
These wolves were capitive bred and do not fear man. They are denning close to homes and threating people on a daily basis.
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/sisterflash/2007/jun/04/presidential_candi...
I like the way you used one line about Rudy to segue into a screed against Richardson. We get the picture. Richardson likes wolves.
I have news for you -- Richardson won't be the candidate!
Unless someone stronger comes along. I also like Romney at this point.
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He not only cleaned up crime, he literally cleaned up the city too. Trash that been piled ten feet high under the railroad trestle in Rego Park Queens was suddenly gone along with layers graffiti.
I was with you until the very end there:
Long before 9/11, Rudy Giuliani was demonstrating leadership through results-driven government and by holding government accountable. Giuliani will use the same principles that led to the creation of CompStat and other similar programs that helped transform New York City to reform the federal government. Our national government needs a CompStat-like program to help improve the Federal government’s performance and protect the taxpayers’ wallets as well. Rudy never listened to the skeptics who said New York City was ungovernable, and he won’t listen to the naysayers who say the same about the Federal government.
CompStat micromanagement is 100% A-OK on a city level, because that's what cities are supposed to do! However, if the President were to try to micromanage the bloated federal bureaucracy, I don't see that he'd get anywhere. Not because I question his own will, necessarily, but because I question he'd have the time to get it done himself. That's a lot of offices around the country to monitor, in a lot of departments.
Further, monitoring police performance is a specific and practical thing that can be done. Response times, crime rates, and things are easily measured, and we clearly know what is good and what is bad.
How do you measure the performance of, say, the Department of Energy, or the NLRB, or the National Weather Service, though?
The problems many federal agencies have don't lie in inefficiency. They lie in a unionized workforce with independent leadership and agenda-setting that are hostile to Republican administrations. Would a Federal CompStat system be used by President Giuliani to stand up to the unions and fire them collectively?
Ultimately we need ideas, not numbers alone, and I don't think Rudy Giuliani brings the kind of conservative ideas that the country needs for long-term liberty and justice.
Run like Reagan!
The post also shows a preference for a sort of technocracy that the entrenched bueracratics can easily turn to their own advantage.
Also, while there is something to be said for fighting against the people Guliani fought, mayoral offices tend to be more able to work around city councils than the President is able to work around Congress. City governments are setup to get this done. Our consititutional framework is setup for the opposite.
Spoken as anyone from the Northeast would say it! Esp a New Yorker!
Rudy did a great job, take shots all you want, nit pick to what ever, he's da man as far as accomplishment personified.
Compare NYC to many a state and it's LARGER, larger than many nations.
Context really does matter.
Well done is better than well said. —Benjamin Franklin
The logistics of micromanaging a city, densely built together, are much easier than those of micromanaging the entire fruited plain. New Yorkers telling us how their city is just so darn special really don't impress me, though.
If New Yorkers like him so much let them leep him, I say, heh. Let him run for Senate or Governor.
Run like Reagan!
comparable success and experience or do neither of those count in a candidate these days?
The negativity flows so easily but what positives does a person bring actually matter as well, or is that some other party I think of and not the one I think I belong to?
Well done is better than well said. —Benjamin Franklin
I don't know if any of them have had comparable success. My point, though, is that his success isn't RELEVANT. It's the burden of the Rudy-ites to show that it is, too.
Run like Reagan!
concerning Rudy's actions in NY and you dismiss it so casually. Was it you that offered up the opinion that the entire Northeast has nothing to offer to the GOP?
Maybe it's fine when the GOP comes with it's hand out and we fill it and provide the foot soldiers but aside from that we should just shut up and listen to people like you right?
Well done is better than well said. —Benjamin Franklin
You clearly have too much of an agenda and too much of a chip on your shoulder to actually read the posts I made in this thread.
Have fun venting,
Run like Reagan!
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"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
1) CompStat was developed by the late Jack Maple, then of the transit police, which were later merged into the NYPD.
2) NYPD Commissioner Bratton then deployed CompStat city wide.
3) When Time did a cover story on NYC's decline in crime, and Bratton was pictured on the cover, the Mayor fired Bratton for not letting him (Giuliani) take the glory and appear on the cover. Pretty small -- you want that in a President? The first lesson of management, afterall, is that you work through people, and you give YOUR PEOPLE the credit for the team's success -- you do not hog it for yourself.
4) CompStat is -- and I do not exagerate -- something you learn in Management 101 (that is, freshman year.) It is hardly a brainstorm. The wonder is that something so elementary could be perceived as so brilliant.
New York City was hardly "safe" for the most vulnerable members of our society, i.e., unborn babies, during Rudy's tenture as mayor. That's something Mr. Lhota conveniently neglects to mention.
Aggressive public financing of abortion is part of the plan, you see? That's why he supports it!
Run like Reagan!
Man, I haven't read that yet on this site.
Thank you for making sure it wasn't neglected in this thread that had nothing to do with abortion.
The Crime Rate has a lot to do with abortion. 20 years before Giuliani took office was the Roe v Wade decision. 20 years later, children that would have been most at risk to become criminals would have been entering the age most people begin their lives of crime. But since abortion was legalized, kids that would have been otherwise born into bad lives and poverty were otherwise aborted.
Giuliani may be pro-choice because the thing he was most famous for (before 9/11), lowering the crime rate, was thanks to Roe v. Wade.
It's just not New York, either. The crime rate nationally plummeted from 93 onward. And it can not be credited to the "broken windows" policy Giuliani had since it wasn't used everywhere.
A lower crime rate is, like it or not, an unintended consequence of abortion.
So lets kill those unborn criminals before they have a chance to commit a crime!
Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should.
Nobody said it was the right thing to do. It's just that the numbers on this don't really lie. I'm not saying that we should kill 'em all, or any unborn children for that matter. But our arguments should be factually prudent. Giuliani alone did not do it, that is my point.
And I totally agree, just because you have the right...
The opposite happened in Romania back in the 60's when all abortion was outlawed. There is plenty of data out there and I invite you to look at it.
Either way, I don't makes the extraordinary number of abortions performed in this country worth it. It is just interesting how far reaching policy is at some times.
You have have done more to undermine Giuliani than anyone else in this thread. Intentional or not.
Run like Reagan!
Anything that gets repeated so many times and for the benefit of only one person needs to be evaluated.
as was Romney if you want to support a solid pro-life candidate go ahead but you will waste your vote on a unelectable candidate because all of the frontrunners except for Rudy have had somewhat of a "change of heart" when it comes to the issue of abortion maybe the best thing to do in 2008 is to leave abortion to the courts just like Thompson says in the video. The issue is beginning to make the republican party look bad because of all of the "change of hearts."
Dems did that too under FDR. I wish Rudy would get his heart right and his brain and look at a fetus in the womb. The little fingers.
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www.hinzsightreport.com
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
Or at least would see that little person as more than a potential criminal.
Run like Reagan!
Gamecock DeVine in
The Charlotte Observer
www.race42008.com
www.hinzsightreport.com
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
That guy wasn't in here supporting Giuliani. It's unfair to take his comments and say that Giuliani agrees with the abortion=less crime=a good thing theory.
Are you saying it's not true?
Run like Reagan!
Maybe it should go on Gamecock's question list for the New Hampshire debate.
I've never seen him say anything along those lines. I would lean strongly towards the fact that it isn't true.
I just can't seem to find any extended transcripts of what the man has said on abortion over the years. It's easy to find quotes of a sentence here, a sentence there, but nothing more than that.
Run like Reagan!
the law. I don't get how this is sudden confirmation that he was once upon a time an abortion rights activist. If anything, he seemed unsure fifteen years ago. Hardly an overnight conversion.
It's good to see someone favorable to Giuliani on RS.
Rudy is an impressive guy with leadership qualities and a great communicator.
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every step of the way, including the huge Democratic majority on the City Council and the even huger one on the NY Times staff.