Su-Fu-Tuesday Brings Clarity, Fear
What a terrible horrible no good very bad day
By Ben Domenech Posted in 2008 | Fred Thompson Is Not Running | John McCain | Mike Huckabee | Mitt Romney — Comments (257) / Email this page » / Leave a comment »
Super Effing Tuesday is upon us, in all its fearsome glory. Were I in a state that was voting, I'd have rented out a dive bar for conservatives to join in a raucous celebration of this momentous triumph of suck.
We've had all the predictions, and there are tons of open threads to occupy you here tonight. But there are three points that I think will likely emerge as the night goes on:
1. McCain will not lock this up tonight. He'll have to go on to win Virginia and likely all the way to Texas, but if the exit polls hold, he has to hope that Huckabee - who's played his wingman for about the past three weeks - continues to play nice and is content to coast to being the Last Action Hero's Veep.
2. Romney continues to perform horribly in the South, despite having a ton of endorsements and a very good campaign organization. The South is still the most personality-driven political arena in America, and there are some things that not even money and machines can overcome. I don't think he's going to get enough momentum out of the West to change that in the coming primaries.
3. I respect Dr. Dobson more than a lot of other folks, but the idea of releasing a statement that he'll stay home and won't vote in a McCain-Clinton election this late in the game indicates to me that he isn't all that enthused about throwing support to Huckabee or Romney. Had Dobson announced this a week ago, he would've had a definite impact today, and moved a few key points to whoever he wished. But by waiting and making this a non-factor, I think it's a sign that as much as he dislikes McCain, Dobson is resigned to the fact that he's the likeliest nominee.
My prescription for getting through the night: I recommend strong bourbon and a large dose of Michael Barone and Karl Rove.
[Update:] Romney's speech tonight seemed more resigned than optimistic. This one hurts, and I just don't think his heart's in it any more.
As for Huckabee, his staff is just giddy: with the potential for wins in AR, GA, AL, WV, MO and TN, this is a much better night than anyone expected, and unless Romney performs above expectations in California, Huckabee's path to victory, while still very unlikely, is now much more realistic than Romney's. KS, VA, TX, MS, NC, KY...all of these are states where Huckabee can have a far more realistic foothold than Romney.
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Cheer up, Ben.
Found out something important for you. Stand by - will post the news shortly. :-)
That the rebate envelopes will include certificates good for twelve - packs...
Is that it?
He has become the Mikey of the RTL movement.
I don't like the candidate
Well I don't like the candidate either
Let see if Jimmy likes it.
Hey Jimmy doesn't likes it either
Yeah he dosn't like anything
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
If he was for Romney, one assumes he would've said so a week ago to give the guy a shot.
I suppose if he just came out and endorsed somebody an said why it would be different. This just reminds me of an old bugs bunny bit.
Bugs: Well I think I want
Genie interrupts: No not one of those
Bugs: Well how bout
Genie: Much too flashy
Bugs: What about
Genie: You could never be seen with one of those
BUGS: Explodes.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Several things are standing out, and they are not good for Romney, nor for the GOP.
McMentum is over, if it ever existed. He is a one dimensional candidate whom is seriously handicapped. He appeals to Indies and Moderates, and that's it. Sadly, he is also one of our strongest candidates.
Huckabee is still in this race, sadly. He competes with Romney for the conservative vote, in the South. His campaign and draw are laughable, but as long as people go to his church in droves they vote for him in droves as well. It is also not safe to say that these conservatives would follow the lead of national conservatives and vote for Romney if Huckabee weren't in the race.
A McCain/Huckabee ticket is the death of the party. McCain needs conservatives, granted. But Huckabee's conservative draw is confined to Southern Evangelical voters, and by the rest he is considered to be a liberal. So this dog don't hunt. I doubt McCain can win without him, so that will leave this thing in an interesting conundrum.
Romney is the conservative choice. He does not appeal to those that think his faith is a cult, but we don't know if that disparage would disappear minus the stimulus of a Huckabee campaign. However, Indies and Huckies seem to be outside his draw.
Bottom line; no one is running away with this thing tonight, or probably at all.
Go ahead, make your jokes, Mr. Jokey... Joke-maker. But let me hit you with some knowledge. Quit now.
-White Goodman
I would certainly think Dr. Dobson is making his choice based on Romney's lackluster position on Right to life and McCain's position on ESCR.
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Go ahead, make your jokes, Mr. Jokey... Joke-maker. But let me hit you with some knowledge. Quit now.
-White Goodman
It's a fine question to ask. But I agree, I think this is a situation where Dobson doesn't trust Romney, doesn't like McCain, and doesn't think Huckabee can win.
Is give talk radio more bullets to shoot at McCain. He will soon be bleeding so much support due to this pile on that it will go brokered. Who wins then? Like I mentioned, I just don't see how McCain/Huckabee is an option.
Go ahead, make your jokes, Mr. Jokey... Joke-maker. But let me hit you with some knowledge. Quit now.
-White Goodman
I too would think that. Except Dobson actually said that he "didn't think" Christians would vote for Mitt because he was a Mormon.
He didn't explicitly say he wouldn't vote for him, but he said that Christians wouldn't. Wink-wink.
I can't stand Romney, but I thought it was an incredibly sleazy move on Dobsons part, and I've spent most of my life admiring him. I lost a lot of respect for him.
John Bolton for President
"FEAR THE 'STACH!!!"
"Huckabee's conservative draw is confined to Southern Evangelical voters, and by the rest he is considered to be a liberal. So this dog don't hunt. "
BIG omission in your analysis -- Huckabee's the only one left except Ron Paul who has any credibility on gun rights.
(Note too: culturally, I'm very different from the evangelicals you guys are assuming are casting all the Huck votes.)
Huckabee flat out rocks on the Second Amendment. Every time he addresses it he's pitch-perfect. He schooled Romney in the debates on this vital issue. When it comes to guns, Romney is an ignorant flip-flopper with zero credibility. He can't even keep his story straight from one month to the next on the federal "assault weapons" (i.e., semi-auto) ban.
Not to say Huckabee doesn't have his problems. If not for the gun issue I'd have voted for Romney today. He's a competent manager with real-world experience, and seems much better in terms of "executive temperament" than the volatile, superannuated McCain.
I voted Huck to show that gun owners are still in this, and that a candidate who mealy-mouths on gun rights in the primaries will be haunted by it for a long time.
With this year's GOP slate, gun owners are going to coolly size up the deal that's being offered to us before we fall in line behind the nominee.
As a mental exercise, add together the Huck and Paul votes as you run down tonight's primary returns. A decent chunk of those are gun-rights voters, I'll bet.
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will be the determining factor in this year's election? I mean, there are people who feel strongly about them, but hardly enough to decide a national election.
thought the issue was so important, it was the 2nd Amendment. However, although Huck talks a good game on 2A, he seems to simply be a nanny stater that "likes guns". He has no foundational believe in idividual liberty which 99 percent of pro 2A people believe in.
Since Huck is a nanny stater, since he wants to ban smoking, fattening food, and pretty much everything he does not like, there is no reason to believe his pro 2A stance is more than a centimeter deep. If he decided guns are not so fun, he could easily switch to a gun grabber since he believes the government should decide what rights we should have.
OTOH, gun rights will always matter. Since the Dems have been slaughtered on the issue for decades, they have dropped it on campaigns. This is the sole reason why we don't here much about the gun debate in national elections. But what we do see is a libertarian-conservative belief in the individual and the Constitution, and the statist-conservative-liberal position of government knows better than joe six pack. The latter position is held by all democrats and some Republicans.
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personal firearms to the UK because they had disarmed their populace.
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And post in the morning.
Have to remember be careful when kidding the heavily armed ;-)
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I never implied the 2A can fight off an army. It is much more realistic and personal than that. The 2A allows a man to defend his wife and child, or neighbor. Basically the 2A, a right given by our Creator, allows men to be men and puts a stop on the tyranny of the state to take away our idividuality and souls.
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It guaranteed a certain amount of circumspection in the states actions. As a lifelong gun owner I absolutely agree about personal defense.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
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in the general sense, but just that in the context of the general election, gun rights are way down below Iraq, the economy, energy independence, and many more things as far as importance to the national electorate.
It's a little early to be drawing firm conclusions, but a few initial observations:
1. Huckabee is able to eke out wins, but not substantial wins, in Southern and near-southern states. He gets crushed everywhere else. I don't see any evidence that he can expand beyond his base. Check out these numbers (as of 10:40pm EST - these numbers obviously will change) for Huck outside the South and near-South:
CT - 7%
DE - 15%
IL - 17%
NJ - 8%
NY - 7%
He's doing a bit better in caucus states:
MN - 22%
MT - 18%
ND - 19%
2. Romney does OK in the South, but that's about the best that can be said. His worst showings in the South, for the most part, are far better than Huckabee's best showings outside the South. Romney in the South and near-South (btw, I'm talking about MO and OK as "near-South"):
AL - 17%
GA - 30%
MO - 27%
OK - 25%
TN - 23%
And of course he did pretty well in WV, 47%
3. Observations 1 and 2 would seem to indicate that Huckabee has a "ceiling" on his support (which is a bad thing) outside of his base and Romney has a "floor" on his support outside of his base. Doesn't mean one's better than the other or is destined to be the last (or second-to-last) candidate standing, but I'd rather have a floor than a ceiling.
4. McCain also seems to have a rough floor on his support - he can reliably and consistently compete, putting up respectable numbers pretty much everywhere.
Bottom line: McCain is still the frontrunner, Romney is able to compete fairly well in most states, and Huckabee is almost strictly a below-the-Mason-Dixon-line candidate (looking good in the CO caucuses right now, but only 2% reporting according to CNN).
Still a lot of campaign left, it looks like.
"but as long as people go to his church in droves they vote for him in droves as well."
Once again you show your bias Eyriq by calling his prior employment into your rant. Have you ever stopped to consider the possibility that Huckabee is popular because he and doing so well because he's a stronger candidate than the rest of the clowns that the punditocracy has declared as the front runners.
He's been written off since the beginning of the campaign and attacked by the Rockefeller wing since winning in IA and he's still standing there swinging.
Let me ask you and the rest of my Red State brethren a simple question; If Huckabee is so fiscally liberal and irresponsible, how is he able to contend with the establishment candidate, (MaCain), and the deep pockets candidate, (Romney) on a penny and a prayer?
He's at least as Conservative as anyone left in the rest and has earned a second look from those of you who have given him the back of your hand up till now.
To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!
Go Mike Go!!!
If these numbers hold, it will be over.
Then we have to hope that McCain is smart enough to wait a few weeks and figure out a good VP candidate.
Maybe even sit down with the Dobsons of the world (who greatly annoys me) and take input from them.
Please not Lindsey Graham or Mike Huckabee.
Romney would be fine with me although there is some sub-group of the evangelical right who would not vote for McCain / Romney. Would McCain / Romney get Rush and Sean back on board?
And of course, McCain / Thompson looms.
Or as I tosse around earlier, a McCain / Watts ticket.
But did so because I thought it was the obviously right move. With Huckaboom II, that may be less so from McCain's perspective.
Speaking for myself and many like me, McCain is a non starter with me whether Huckabee, Romney, Thompson or Ronald Reagan himself were second on the ticket.
For me it's Huck #1, Romney #2 and a blank ballot #3. #4 is a vote for McCain if and only if Hell freezes over.
To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!
Go Mike Go!!!
Romney has absolutely horrible organization in Georgia, and won't do well here in the South regardless of cash or endorsements because (a) he's a Mormon (sorry, Hugh), and (b) nobody here trusts him.
A buddy of mine who is an attorney in the NE said,"I like Romney OK, but he is a little slick for me."
I said, "Geez, if he is too slick for YOU, how on earth do you think WE feel about him?"
Oklahoma, Tennessee, Missouri...out of those three, it appears he only has a shot at MO (which is only marginally a Southern state, I should've been more clear).
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
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move to California where he will open a chain of fast-service Chinese restaurants called Pander Express featuring good food and whatever fortune cookie you want.
You can't afford the price of free corn.
What a wonderful way to unite the party. Hope you have fun in November.
win a *single* Southern state in the primary season.
He is running third, often a distant third in these states.
And it's bad for mccain??? He will probably win Missouri tennessee and Oklahoma in these contests. He has already won Louisiana. Yet McCain is the one with the problem. Riiiight.
thats fine, but now there are no more southern states, where does Huckabee go from here?
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Huckabee can win a few more, though you're essentially correct: he's a Bible Belt candidate and failed to break out of that mold over the past two months.
I don't think we count anymore. This whole primary system is a joke and I'm sick of it. By the time we get to vote, it probably won't amount to a hill of beans.
I guess the only thing I can do about it is lobby for my state to move their primary up to (at least) "super" Tuesday.
we would count this year...Primary and Electoral...
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I guess one out of three ain't bad. As I write this Tennessee has been called and Huckabee leads in Missouri with 75% in according to Fox.
To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!
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or Eagle Rare? The mash bill is specially tailored for the drowning of electoral sorrows.
"In my youth, it was said that what was too silly to be said may be sung. In modern economics it may be put into mathematics." -- Ronald Coase
With Evan Williams. I'm poor. Plus I'm happy with the way things are going, so I don't need as much drowning of the sorrows.
"Livin' the dream. I'm going to Disney World." Super Bowl XLII MVP, Elisha Nelson Manning
thank god it is fat tuesday....what was super tuesday again?
MelZ
McCain can't pull most of the conservatives.
Huckabee can only pull evangelicals.
Many evangelicals won't vote for Romney.
Fred's the only one who would've could have won the entire southeast in November.
What a shame.
I don,t think John McCain can win the election not matter what. We will have a democrat for president. I can not in good conscience vote for John McCain because of all the liberal positions he has taken.
I will be writing in Mick Romney here in Fl in Nov.
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He could very well win only MA and UT.
All I can say is is not as good a candidate as I thought.
I believe his is the best man for the job. The majority doesn't agree.
I cannot believe that Romney is running so poorly there.
Nah, its early and its tied there. He'll win Mo, MN and CO.
Cheer up, yes it is depressing, but Romney will win Mass, Utah, Montana, Minnesota, Colorado, possibly North Dakota, Alaska, and hopefully California.
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
He's tied in the AZ exit polls. Even if he loses, I hope he makes McCain sweat. Either way, its a blow to his morale. The people that know him best are rejecting him.
McCain is ahead by about 5-7 points...
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Then it's edging that way.
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Unless I wake up tomorrow and find out Santa is real, Romney is toast. This sucks. Oh well, on to McCain. At least he deserves a shot.
I never really bought into the whole slick mantra and still can't understand how that sticks, but at the end of the day I think that is what hurt Romney most. For me I just looked at this church service and his son's church service and that settled the integrity debate. To bad that does not help him, but probably hurts him more than anything. Double Poopie
We had just better win the general. Oh, and absolutely NO Huckabee ticket. If Romney dropping out tomorrow would assure that, I'd say do it. I just would not vote for Huckabee as a VP or President.
Go ahead, make your jokes, Mr. Jokey... Joke-maker. But let me hit you with some knowledge. Quit now.
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"I just would not vote for Huckabee as a VP or President."
You disagree with Huckabee on some issues so you will vote for the Un-Republican, (McCain) in the General? I just wish you all would just give Huckabee another look. He's not perfect but not as bad as McCain.
To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!
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I predict Romney to only win Caucus (Montana, Colorado, etc.), Utah and Taxachussets.
It's a two men race from now on.
Alaska, Minnesota, Montana, Arizona, and California. Just to name a few.
Here's the MN numbers live. Romney up big.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#MN
Where hasn't he worked his butt off. It is a shame he hasn't connected better. If he had that Huckabee charm this would be over.
The RNC should turn the whole operation over to him. He smokes everyone at fundraising and organization. And he works harder.
He strikes people as just another motivational speaker.
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He doesn't actually get any delegates there if he wins. It's a non-binding straw poll.
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It's funny how every state that Romney wins in meaningless - its a caucus state, its in his backyard, Mormons live there, nobody bothered campaigning - MA,UT,WY,NV,MI,ND,MN,ME,MT,CO all meaningless.
Since I live there. It's a straw poll. It has nothing to do with delegates. It's WTN (Winner Take None). The actual delegates won't be elected for a couple months yet, by the state delegates at the state convention.
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Apart from Arizona and California, those are all Caucus. I said he would win most of the Caucus. He's not going to win Arizona. He may pull out California, but it'll be so close it won't really matter.
or California.
Tha caucus states he may well win, since he has done well with them. I think, though, he needed to show some strength in the northeast or the south, which he has not shown.
Again, he is coming in third in all the Southern primaries. At the start of super tuesday we were told by Romneybots that he would win several Southern states AND california. He is not going to win any of these. He may end up winning fewer delegates after ST than Huckabee.
The big losers of these primaries: talk-radio hosts.
Huckabee: «A lot of people have been saying this is a two-man race. Well it is, and we're in it.»
Not sure what you are trying to say. In a democracy those with the most votes win. We should only fear, if we truly believe we are unable to educate our fellow Americans about the issues of the day. If not, then let us look forward to spreading the Gospel and stamping out ignorance.
Just the idea that finding out who's the frontrunner is not necessarily a good thing.
I don't see the base ever getting excited about McCain.
It is going to take a motivated orgainization AND Indies to win.
The MSM will take care of the Indies.
Excuse me, which planet are you posting from?
If anything should be obvious at this point, it's that Huckabee has [i]no[/i] appeal outside of his fundamentalist base, and Romney has [i]no[/i] appeal to non-Republicans. McCain can beat either Hillary or Obama, no one else has a prayer. Supporting McCain is the biggest no-brainer in the history of Earth.
Before everyone gets so excited, things are going almost exactly how I predicted, and this is a long way from over.
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/lobo/2008/feb/04/likely_result_after_super...
A vote for Huckabee is a vote for McCain at the end of the day - unless this gets to a brokered convention. What is more important than who is at the top of the ticket is the need for more conservative R's in the House and Senate.
Because he knows that by selecting McCain, the GOP will allow either Hillary or Obama to have a victory in November like Reagan's in 1984.
The entire US map, save for Arizona, may end up being blue.
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... there is no evidence whatsoever to support your 49-state sweep prediction. McCain, Romney, and Huckabee would all have an uphill fight this November, for reasons which are no fault of their own. But poll after poll shows McCain matches up well against Obama and/or Clinton.
Hang all traitors and secessionists! Hang them high!
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"But poll after poll shows McCain matches up well against Obama and/or Clinton."
We were sold that bill of goods in 1996 about Boob Dole. He's the only one who could beat Bill Clinton. We heard it from the Rockefeller Republicrats and the so called objective press.
To bad reality turned out tho be quite different after the MSM turned on him.
To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!
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So unless you think Nurse Bloomberg is in its not comparable.
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Do you remember the general election in 1996? I can't tell you how discouraged and demoralized I was after watching the three ring circus that was the Dole 96 campaign.
I defy you or anyone else to tell me what Dole stood for, Campaigned on, What he wanted to do as President or why he wanted to be president at all aside from the fact that it was just his turn.
He spent half the Campaign attacking the base of his own party and the other half sucking up to the so called mderates and independants and lost to Clinton in a landslide. I predict the same from McCain!
To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!
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plus he did not have the evangelical base that bush has galvanized... that is what huck can bring to mccain's ticket...
i'll say this we need rove to get voters out again.
The problem with that is I and many like me will not vote for McCain with or without Huckabee.
I like Huckabee but nI can tell you as soon as he hitches his wagon to McCain's bumper....I'm done with Huckabee!
To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!
Go Mike Go!!!
no one can galvanize them more than Huckabee... ok some can, but not with his communication and political skills.
I mean Huck knocked Romney out with a shoestring budget versus a multi-million dollar campaign and conservative talk radio against him. Huck has proven his worth.
Did wish he would stop speaking of himself in the third person.
Forget about where Dole stood on the issues. He had all the personality of a 6 week dead fish. He still probably would have won if perrot weren't in the race.
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... are war heroes and honorable men, what possible connection can you draw between their careers and campaigns? And btw, any jerk with a user name doesn't get to call a great man and a great Republican "Boob."
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What poll shows how McCain will appear to voters after the MSM turns on him?
What did the polls show this time before the 1976, 1980, and 1992 elections?
McCain's current "support" by many voters is based on his persona as communicated by the MSM. What happens when Chris Matthews and others in the press change sides? How will McCain handle that?
I have never heard a McCain supporter address this issue, which is important given rumors of his temper.
Romney is the general election loser. McCain is competitive: I personally think he easily beats Hillary and is within the margin of error to Obama.
As proof, look how badly Romney is doing in the South. In most places he is coming in third. And it is a distant third in most. If Romney were to somehow get the nomination, there is a very good chance he would lose the South to either Obama or Hillary. No Republican can win without the South.
No republican would bother running in the south.
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are going to be terribly disappointed during the Nov. election.
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All the polling evidence, and it is substantial, screams that McCain is the only Republican candidate who has the slightest chance of winning in November.
I hope he's smart enough to not do that. There are a whole lot of good candidates for VP. He doesn't need to go find one of the worst.
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at least it seems the Democrats are not making their selection tonight either.
Being in a state that will not have our primary until March 4, we were making alternate plans, but now we are back to plan A.
That does not bode well for conversatisim, but at least we will get to have some decision in this process.
It seems that we have a 3 Section of America race in our party. Huck plays well in the south and strong Christian states. Mac plays well in the liberal north and pro-amnesty states. Romney plays well in social conversative/moderate states. So what will we do.
We have no candidate who can consistanly get 50% of the Republician vote in this race and that is a problem for us. No matter which candidate gets the nod, he will be a weak candidate.
I personally will never vote for McCain no matter what he says or offers us. I can hold my nose and vote for Romney but Huck is a bigger reach.
Time will tell what our party becomes, but my fear is we are heading down the road of 1964 or 1976, and neither of those worked well for us.
"Time will tell what our party becomes, but my fear is we are heading down the road of 1964 or 1976, and neither of those worked well for us."
1976 turned out pretty well given Reagan's showing then and his sweep in 1980.
To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!
Go Mike Go!!!
If it wasn't for Huckabee McCain would have swept the South, too!
What I find most striking about tonight is that in the states that Romney lost in the South, he came in third. If this is now a two-man race, the race is between McCain and Huckabee.
I ask this only half-jokingly but, since Romney supporters and pundits say that Romney and Huckabee are supposedly spliting the conservative vote, will Romney supporters now switch to support that conservative, Huckabee ?
McCain and Huckabee are about the same level of conservative to me (which is not at all).
Given that choice, I'll take McCain as more likely to win in November.
McCain is Clinton, Clinton is McCain.
So you'll pass over the two marginally conservative candidates and vote for the most demonstrative and hostile Liberal Republican in the race?
To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!
Go Mike Go!!!
Isn't McCain's ACU rating 83? That's sort of conservative, isn't it?
He's against us on the worse possible issues and nasty and in your face about his oppositions.
To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!
Go Mike Go!!!
I think that this may very well be the last election I care about (or vote for that matter - if I do)... Seems that things are drifting way too left to continue the fight. Oh well, I can depend on my son to carry on the fight.
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