"YEAAARRRRGH!": Obama's 50 State Strategy is a joke.

Is Barry really as clueless as Howard Dean?

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We've heard a lot of blather about how the changing electoral dynamic favors Obama playing ball in the once-upon-a-time GOP strongholds: Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado, Nevada, etc. It's the rebirth, the redemption of Howard Dean's old 50 State Strategy.

I like the notion of Barry throwing money at Mississippi and Colorado in earnest hopes of winning their electors and thus the Presidency, and thus his face on the $7-bill. But it's not going to happen.

Charlie Cook says to our Dem buddies, dream on. Although he believes that Colorado and Nevada are possible take for Barry, he calls the indiscriminate grab for 50, "cliché":

[P]residential campaigns are pass-fail, and pass is defined as winning 270 electoral college votes. Ask former Vice President Al Gore about moral presidential victories.

With 270 electoral votes the definition of success, "50-states" isn't a strategy, it's a cliché.

Sure, a candidate might give some modicum of attention to all 50 states; the appearances are important. But if that candidate spends significant resources in the 20-25 states that are a lock for him or his opponent, he will look pretty foolish when his top priority states run shy on money down the final stretch.

Gore's "moral Presidential victory" was that he could not even win with hypothetical votes (chads, dimples, impressions) being counted by partisan Democrats in Florida. He lost. But we're digressing.

Stu Rothenberg does not even put much credence in the "Obamamania puts States in play" argument.

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From Rothenberg's eponymous Political Report:

There will be changes, but don’t expect the 2008 presidential map to look wildly different from those of 2000 and 2004.

Barring a full-scale McCain meltdown or the public’s wholesale rejection of the GOP (neither of which can be ruled out), only a handful of states are prime candidates to swing from their traditional partisan bent in recent presidential elections.

Most of the states that went for George W. Bush in 2000 are likely to end up in the Republican column again this November, while almost every state that former Vice President Al Gore won eight years ago is likely to go for Obama this year.

Increased turnout by black and young voters could improve Obama’s showings in some states, as could his appeal among upscale whites. But those gains aren’t likely to be large enough to flip many states, and so far there is no evidence that red states in the Deep South are potentially winnable for Obama because of their large black population.

That said, ole Stu sees the Dems contesting for such as Colorado, North Carolina, Virginia, and Ohio, with McCain having Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin in his sights.

So while this race may not be a complete re-airing of '04 and '08, Rothenberg offers us another cheerful thought:

Obama is likely to “waste” votes in Illinois, New York and California (winning them with large majorities), and he may gain some ground in normally Republican states — getting closer than most Democrats normally do, but not winning.

If this happens, and if Obama narrowly loses one or two larger, traditionally Democratic states, such as Michigan and Wisconsin, we could see an updated version of 2000, with McCain winning the White House at the same time that Obama gets more than half a million more votes.

That would be quite a feat for a man who could not win the popular vote in his party's season of nominating contests.

The moral of this piece is: The more some folks HOPE for CHANGE – HOPECHANGEHOPECHANGEHOPE – the more they're likely to stay electorally the same.

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Pass-fail is key. I believe, and have absolutely no basis supporting it, that his strategy in the primary will be used in the general. I doubt his managers are foolish enough to think that he will get "some" delegates even for a 2nd place finish, but I'm not sure Obama understands that.

But I have said it before and will say it again, he is running a negative before the first ballot is cast simply because of the racial "I will never vote for a black man" potential and angry Hillary supporters that feel cheated. No one in the MSM is touching on these topics with any vigor, as expected, but they exist.

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Even I roll my eyes when someone says they'll run a 50 State Strategy. It's pure pandering.

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The whole gay marriage thing will be on the ballot.
If he can run through there and talk to people and explain to them how Obama is a X (for whatever values of X you feel like putting in there) and Obama supports gay marriage and vote Yes on Amendment G4-Y, and, while you're there, vote for me!

Well... he might force Obama to do some California campaigning himself.

And the media, being the media, will play up McCain's "bigotry" which will help rally the base in the other 49 states.

(No, I don't think that this is a good thing. I just think that it would work, is all.)

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The Gay Marriage factor is small in CA compared to the hispanic vote. That block is nearly unified against Obama and that could pull the state red.

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This is way off by exitsfunnel

Hispanics will definitely not vote for Obama in the numbers they would have voted for Hillary Clinton, or any of the other erstwhile Democratic hopefuls for that matter. But to say that they are 'nearly unified against' him is wildly overstating things. When push comes to shove Barak Obama will win Hispanic voters by a comfortable (if not overwhelming) margin.

-exits

And if he can make Obama fight for California, or even sweat about it, that's time/effort removed from Colorado or Pennsylvania or Ohio or Florida or Michigan.

Obama is used to being treated like John Lennon.

Make him act on the defensive.

California will allow for McCain to put Obama on the defensive.

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Assuming that McCain takes the electoral college and Obama takes the popular vote, how funny will it be to watch Obama and the Dems flail about wildly about how unfair and undemocratic the electoral college is and how the presidency ought to be based on the popular vote, etc., etc., etc... while the fact remains (as you noted) that Obama only won his own party's nomination precisely because of an electoral college-like arrangement in the Dem nominating process...

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Reagan and Bush by New Conservative

Reagan and Bush were the last to come close to winning fifty states. Republicans are more likely to have success with this strategy than democrats because the South and most of the Midwest are locked in the GOP column. Democrats help keep them there by acting like their stupid and saying that "they cling to guns and religion." McCain will win come November because Obama can not make up ground in those areas and McCain can win some blue states. This isn't going to be close.
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Dean's strategy has its ups by swamp_yankee

Dean's strategy has its ups and downs, but it is not a joke. A big part of it was building and energy and grass roots for local, state and congressional races, which bore some fruit for them in 2006. It might not be practical for a presidential race and its also expensive, but his efforts are paying in some traditional Red States. Republicans can't get lazy in places like Texas because it is assumed that it will always be Red, while Dems make a grass roots push. We must fight back and must must energize the party in some Blue state too where the party organization is in shambles like NJ, NH, ME. But we can't make Dean's mistake of poorly allocating resources.

I think a McCain push in NJ might work due to the fact the only person people in NJ hate more then Bush is our governor. They'll be alot of Repubs out to try and remove the 91 year old Senator from office, and the 3 Million elderly people here vote down the line, Repub for Pres then Repub for all, and vice versa.

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New Jersey by exitsfunnel

Every time I see a Republican campaigning in New Jersey because the polls are looking close, I have visions of Charlie Brown getting ready to take a kick at the football. As far as I'm concerned, every second McCain spends in Jersey, is a waste of a second he could be spending in Ohio.

-luvthelp

Thinking like that are reasons a Republican will always fail here then. 15 Delegates are up here in NJ, Kerry won by 6.7%. Obama now has a 12.6% lead thanks to only 1 poll done by a half assed college. Throw that out and its a 6% lead with 11% free. That means if McCain can get a 120,000 vote swing and get a majority of the free vote, then he can win the area, We're a very high Jewish state (Obama Downfall) and we're not that big, smaller amounts of money will do more work here.

While spending large amounts of time here isn't great, just forgetting the state will leave it Dem for years to come. With the right backing here McCain can easily win, 2 Years ago Kean Jr. did a hell of alot better then anyone ever expected him to do without a Pres Election or Gov. to help him out, McCain + Senate means Repubs got a much better chance.

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have a nearly equal campaign war chest. Unfortunately, it looks like Obama's campaign cash may well dwarf McCain's. If Obama can make things close in Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado, Nevada and maybe even Texas, McCain will have to increase his spending there leaving him with little to no resources available to compete in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio or Wisconsin. Essentially, Obama may have money to waste in order to make states competitive. If McCain can't close the fundraising gap, we may have to rely on an Obama collapse of some sort. Unfortunately, that's not alot to hand your hat on.

It is easy to save money in a campaign when the media is rooting for you and giving you lots of free press.

Of course, now that they're settled on Obama, once we get a VP from each of them, the media will unload on McCain and continue to be kind and loving to Obama...

like a good lapdog.

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positive exposure. That's why the 50 state strategy makes so much sense for him. He may truly have a chance to win states that Dems haven't won in a generation.

Obama's Warchest? by RedFox84

It's got to be slipping, considering his fundraising was falling since March, and they still haven't released May's total. You used to hear every day about the latest OMGOBAMAHASMONEY press release-as-news-story. Now? I got even think of the last time I heard that mentioned on the news.

I think B. Hussein having a colossal meltdown that sends him into McGovern/Mondale territory is at least as likely as a McCain meltdown. His popularity peaked in Feb/Mar and he limped to the nomination by a hair -- and that was with Democrats! He has a much bigger potential downside than McCain once people with at least a brainstem start to pay attention.

First off, I get the impression that you think Dean's DNC 50-state strategy was a bust. I think it was a smashing success. Mississippi and Alaska were 2 of the states Dean staffed up starting in 2005 and people derided him for it. If I asked you then what are the odds they'd turn blue you'd have laughed. But wait, isn't most of the Alaskan Congressional delegation under investigation now and polls show the incumbents loosing to the Dems? In fact it's possible the only way to really save the state is for CfG, RedState, etc to prevail in the primary fights! Oh, and didn't the Dem's just win the MS special election? You SURE you want to call the 50 state strategy a bust? The DNC is doing EXACTLY what a national party should be doing, building itself up everywhere...

Obama isn't going to have money issues and when you can draw crowds the size he can you just never know what might happen in close House races. He can afford to campaign in extra states just to help win down ballot races and make any potential landslide that much larger.

Obama is getting his bounce in the polls for winning the primary. The latest Gallup/Rasmussen have him +7.

For every WI (which Obama is now up again in the latest polls) there is a Virginia which might go Blue. Let's see where things stand in a month. If Obama is up all over the board then his 50 state strategy is going to be amazingly successful for House/Senate races and the future. If he's loosing in key states then he can always focus on them later, but to start out in just a few seems silly to me when he has the resources and the momentum.

They're supposed to be the emergency stash; instead, Howard Dean needs Barack Obama to bail him out if he wants to run an actual convention this August.

Making Wyoming Democrats feel better about themselves for being surrounded by all those awful Republicans doesn't seem to be all that much of a compensation.

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I say give him a cape; no?

Let him spend all his money and time on grande illusions. The stacked deck crowds will love him! I can hear the MSM now; "Oh (insert red state here) loves Obama. My this is historic". Meanwhile here in NY , heart of liberalism, there are quite a few very angry Democrats that say they won't vote for him even if Hillary gives up her sword.

I only need several accoutrements; chips and a nice chianti.

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Obama has the money to both defend in blue states and push for many red states. McCain won't have nearly that much. Obama also has well seasoned ground operations in many red states. Coupled with Dean's organizations via the DNC, and we see a well oiled national party.

Coupled with the fact that the GOP has eaten its own soul with spending, corruption, and big government, as well as the fact that the country is in a very anti-GOP mood with registration going hard Dem, it would seem that the Dems have a perfect storm brewing. Obama would be a fool to NOT go for every state.

It's going to take a lot for the GOP to rebuild itself. Better start working on that NOW.

I think Barack and his allies will have a billion dollars to spend this fall. Obama's fundraising has fallen off because many donors have maxed out and the campaign has not pushed for general election contributions, unlike Hillary. That much money plus volunteers that are energized this year relative to McCains.

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Presidency....I think he could spend two billion and still be beat....he has nothing to offer and we the people can see that!

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...aside from "hopechange." People are in an anti-GOP mood. He doesn't have to prove himself -- we need to disprove him. And with the money difference, we will have to be VERY creative and hit him on all fronts (not just Iraq/GWOT/&c.).

If money was the only factor we would have Mr Romney as our nominee.

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One billion dollars by simpson316

You don't say?



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...when you wrote the comment. :)

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Why yes I was! n.t by simpson316



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