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you could get those same quotes from supporters of tighter border control.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

...based on this topic that RedStaters seem least able to have a civil discussion about.

Let's make a drinking game out of this thread...you take a shot everytime a comment mentions "amnesty."

...they're not even bothering to close off any roads. Anybody who's familiar with downtown Austin knows that that means it's going to be a tiny affair, as anything larger than a small family gathering would make the city pretty much impassable.

The western half of the US is in many practical ways the Aztlan they want. We have water stations for illegals undocumenteds crossing the border. We have a DHS that seems to do its very best to thwart efforts to build a fence. We have bilingual signage in almost every public place I'm aware of - except for those places that have signage exclusively in Espanol. Free medical care. Freedom from those pseky regulations about having auto insurance.

And yet, the rallies are losing momentum.....

Bummer.

Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J

I think the marches were great. They woke up the American people and galvanized them into action to stop the shamnesty (double shot). I wish there was some place where I could donate some really large Mexican flags to the marchers because they were particularly helpful.

I disagree that immigration reform needs to include a path to citizenship. I think the argument that we can't deport millions of people so we have to give them a path to citizenship aka amnesty is a false choice. I can see at least two other choices and I like both of them better.

The first is my preferred choice which is attrition through enforcement. Steadily and aggressively enforce our laws against employers. I don't think it is even necessary to arrest the illegals when we raid a workplace. That just gives the MSM a bunch of sob stories. Just arrest the employers and let the illegals know that their job has been terminated. They will eventually go home for the same reason they came: to have a better life. We are seeing this approach work everywhere it is tried. There is lots of evidence coming out of Arizona, Oklahoma and Prince Williams Virginia. Finally we have a solution that works! Lets take it nation wide!

The second is to ignore them which is essentially what we are doing now. They are a lot cheaper as illegals then they would be as citizens and it is way easier to dispose of the trouble makers. Their children will eventually be part of our society. I see no reason to give the voting franchise to people who don't respect our laws and I see no benefit in bringing them out of the shadows. (As if they were hiding! They clearly are not in the shadows today.)

I'll be against any reform that is not enforcement oriented until I see a willingness to enforce the laws we already have. Things have gotten slightly better in the last year but we have a long ways to go and at least one more Presidential Administration before there is a consistent believable pattern of enforcement.

For the record, I have read this post twice and I don't believe there is anything uncivil about it. But by my count, it calls for three shots and given the topic I believe Tequila is the appropriate poison.

1. If you are here illegally, go back to your country of origin.
2. Once home, go to the US Embassy and apply for a permanent resident visa.
3. When your PRV is issued, come to the US.
4. After the appropriate length of time (time spent here illegally does not count), apply for citizenship.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

You seem to be working from the premise that these people should be allowed to come. I disagree. They are overwhelmingly uneducated. Something like 75% of illegal aliens lack a highschool education and almost 50% of them are illiterate in their own language. They have very little to offer either our society or our economy. The only thing they can do is work at the low skill jobs and they essentially cut the legs out from under our own poorest citizens. They represent cheap labor for business and are essentially a subsidy. For everybody else they are a burden. Poor people get less opportunity and lower wages. And the middleclass gets taxed to support them. I would be happier if the PRV took 100 years. I have been being taxed to fight the war on poverty for 35 years and I just don't see any need to import more poverty.

"I repudiate the idea of voting for a Democrat

One of the major sticking points of the illegal-immigrant debate is what to do with the 12-million who are already here. But with rigorous border enforcement, that problem takes care of itself in about a generation. We just need to be a bit patient. I suggest that raids and deportation at the employment sites, coupled with some nationally applied 'we are not joking around anymore' disincentives to the employers will actually start something of a backflow.

I would also like to see Section 1 the XIVth Amendment amended to require that at least one parent of a naturally born person must be a United States citizen before United States citizenship is conferred.